Warning- for when you up the pace.

[beyond]

I believe the thread started as a warning and a bit of advice for anyone who has not ridden faster than speed x, impulsively twisting the throttle and finding themselves at speed xx. The numbers don't actually matter, just the effect that the difference will have on the rider's ability to control their bike in unfamiliar territory.

It is not everyone that will do that, yet experience tells us that most will try and some of them will not manage to survive the experience.

PRETTY FUCKING SIMPLE.

But, of course, all the IQ-challenged, self-absorbed site homo habilii assume it is all about encouraging people to go out and ride like cocks 'because you'll have learned how to cope by reading the (un)wise words of Beyond'. What these aforementioned low-IQ morons fail to realise is that yet again they have thrown away the opportunity to contribute to the subject in any meaningful way, instead preferring to point the finger of derision, mock any attempt to develop the original post and when pressed to 'put their money where their mouth is', simply resort to barely articulate personal insults.

I've run out of bling too, but well said and at least some get what I intended to say.

And yes Scracha, was oil and I don't think anyone would have got out of that one including you "the master"

[beyond]

Good post, well said

Unfortunatly for some, Beyonds posts are like burley to snapper and they cant help themselves

Just wish the snapper bit like that when I went fishing LOL

[boomer]

Are you Paul's rentboy?

No.. but he'll still fck you up the arse for free.. ask him nicely!

[boomer]

Scot-oiler made me crash. Oh that's a fuckin classic "bro"

i wouldn't talk, a southerly and a hint of sun in the west is enough to make you fall over like these fullas

[Katman]

No.. but he'll still fck you up the arse for free.. ask him nicely!

I've got bad news for him.

My arse ain't free.

[boomer]

I've got bad news for him.

My arse ain't free.

It should be, being it's that loose!

[flyingcrocodile46]

I've got bad news for him.

My arse ain't free.

No doubt.... Perhaps he would be prepared to wait for a turn

[R-Soul]

If you read between teh lines (very carefully) then you can see Katman's stance on things:

If its wet, and you want to push it - DON'T
If its dry and you want to push it - DON'T
If you are riding with ego - DON'T
If you aren't paying attention, dont ride.
If you are incapacitated by alcohol or drugs, dont ride at all.
Only ride at speeds (in both straight lines and corners) that you feel comfortable at, and always under the speed limit, and that you have good control of the bike at.
ALWAYS (in the literal strict sense of the word) give enough space to stop in COMFORTABLY.

On the road, ride like a Nanna, and then some.

If you want to "find boundaries", or even "scratch the surface" of a boundary, or tickle its tummy- DON'T.
The only time you should be pushing any limits is on the track (but then expect what you get).
Check your bike properly each and every time you use it, because all it takes is a screw in the tyre that may juust have picked up.

And as much as you say "I am not condoning pushing boundaries on the road", by saying that most do do so, you are giving a people feeling that it is OK to do so (lets face it, most people are sheep).

Dont push your boundaries, they will develop at their own rate. And when your personal boundaries surpass what is VERY safe, then go on track if you want to develop them further. but not so that you can push your luck on the road.

The fact is that we all know what is safe, but choose (stupidly) to ignore this and make excuses because we are addicted to the feelings we get from the bikes. Like an alcoholic, laying blame on every one else while guiltily knowing that we were the base cause of our own foibles.
The first step to rehab is admitting you have a problem.

There, I think that sums up Katmans attitude.
Frankly, I agree with him. It's actually just not worth it. Ask the families of the people that have died or been maimed.

If I knew I would die in a crash on the way from work this afternoon because I opened it up on the on ramp, I would never open it up again on the road . EVER.

My addition:

Learn as much as you can as fast as you can by any means neccessary (especially to learn from others mistakes), to give yourself a better cushion against the other idiots pushing their boundaries on the road. I agree that this was perhaps the reason for being of the thread in the first place. There should be a forum for bikers to relte scary experiences and close calls - to let others learn faster.

[fossil]

R-Soul, that is without doubt one of the reasoned postings I have ever read on KB.

[toycollector10]

Everyone wants to move up from 250cc straight to a litre bike, it seems to me.

Why not scare yourself on a 50cc then a 125, then a 250, then a 600, then a 1000.

Scare yourself in steps. The bigger the bike the bigger the fright.

I saw a guy on a big cruiser look over his right shoulder for his mate. He drifted left into a ditch. I did it on a 50cc when I was 15 years old. It took me about 6 seconds at 40 kph, It took cruiser guy 2.5 seconds at 80kph. He should have learned that lesson earlier.

It's all relative, learn to crawl before you run.

[mashman]

The OP should be a spoken "Safety" TV Ad, along with the stories as follow ons... i think people would get the idea pretty quickly. It would also be aimed at educating the car driving public, as to the consideration bikers show for the road itself, and it's other users......... mmmmmmost of the time. Could convey a message quickly though

[Katman]

The OP should be a spoken "Safety" TV Ad, along with the stories as follow ons... i think people would get the idea pretty quickly. It would also be aimed at educating the car driving public, as to the consideration bikers show for the road itself, and it's other users......... mmmmmmost of the time. Could convey a message quickly though

Yeah, a series of "How to treat the road as a racetrack" lessons.

Just what we need.

[pritch]

Interesting. I didn't think there was anything in the original post that should cause an argument, but 21 pages later (and counting?) the argument rages.

Perhaps a ride this weekend might be theraputic for some? Me included.

[avgas]

avgas is not amused

[avgas]

Everyone wants to move up from 250cc straight to a litre bike, it seems to me.

Why not scare yourself on a 50cc then a 125, then a 250, then a 600, then a 1000.

Scare yourself in steps. The bigger the bike the bigger the fright.

I saw a guy on a big cruiser look over his right shoulder for his mate. He drifted left into a ditch. I did it on a 50cc when I was 15 years old. It took me about 6 seconds at 40 kph, It took cruiser guy 2.5 seconds at 80kph. He should have learned that lesson earlier.

It's all relative, learn to crawl before you run.

I used to think like this, now I want all the squids to go crash litre bikes before they know how to ride.
You see if they die - they won't post here.
This decreases how much I have to read.

So to all those young (and old) heroes - here is your tribute