The Group Ride Guide Announcement

[Maha]

He has said he will no longer organise these rides online but it will now be via PM or text. Seems that KB now has a set of rules so it is now a "club".

Here is what I said.

'Even before this Guideline thing got underway, I had lost interest in organising anymore group rides. The only one I will do from now on is the Annual Muriwai too Mangawhai ride around November, other than that, it will be via pm or txt.'

My decision was made before the Group Ride Forum was set up.

The best rides are the 'smaller number/pm on the day/lets go' rides, thats where my enjoyment comes from now.

[The Stranger:Me]

Yes please. So from now on if someone posts up a ride on KB can they opt out of the rules with a disclaimer? "This ride is not going to follow the "Guidelines of KB"?

Ah, there are NO rules to opt out of MadDuck.
It's a free world and you will never find me a party to anything that would change that. It goes without saying that people can do what they like.

They are suggested guidelines, which we hope that if followed will make rides safer and thus more enjoyable.
I realise that the liability issue is contentious, however, as I noted elsewhere, it came up during debate and in an attempt to resolve a potential impasse legal advice was sought. In the end I felt it would be remiss of me to omit information which may be pertinent to others.

If the disclaimer you refer to above is an attempt to avoid legal liability it is likely that if tested it would fail.

[Virago]

Yes please. So from now on if someone posts up a ride on KB can they opt out of the rules with a disclaimer? "This ride is not going to follow the "Guidelines of KB"?

He has said he will no longer organise these rides online but it will now be via PM or text. Seems that KB now has a set of rules so it is now a "club".

What part of "They are not rules" don't you understand?

All this hysterical conspiracy stuff is quite amusing.

The guys at the building supply depot handed me a step-by-step guide to installation when I bought some gib-board recently. Where they part of a dark conspiracy too?

The Group Ride Guide is just that - a guide. You're welcome to use it - or not - as you wish.

[_STAIN_]

WTF is this still KB or have I dialed up the wrong chanel...oh so PC now ??? next there be a "NO slagging Guidelines Forum" and use for the "F word Guidelines Forum"

[MadDuck]

Ah, there are NO rules to opt out of MadDuck.
It's a free world and you will never find me a party to anything that would change that. It goes without saying that people can do what they like.
.

Thanks for your response. I fully understand why these guidelines came to be but I truly hope we are able to express a point of view to get a better understanding without getting flamed.

[MadDuck]

The Group Ride Guide is just that - a guide. You're welcome to use it - or not - as you wish.

No it is not. It is now published on KB as to how to organise a group ride. You cannot ignore the fact that if you chose to organise a ride on here you are bound to this.

I am not saying its wrong or right. I am just trying to understand

[Virago]

No it is not. It is now published on KB as to how to organise a group ride. You cannot ignore the fact that if you chose to organise a ride on here you are bound to this...

Why?

Go back to my example before about the gib-board installation guide. Was I bound to follow the "rules" that the building depot supplied? Of course not - the guide was supplied in the hope that I might find it useful or helpful. The choice was mine.

This situation is no different.

[_STAIN_]

No it is not. It is now published on KB as to how to organise a group ride. You cannot ignore the fact that if you chose to organise a ride on here you are bound to this.

I am not saying its wrong or right. I am just trying to understand

+1 you have now place onus, by making rules. The liability side you should have been looking at is aligned with "sport"

[MadDuck]

Go back to my example before about the gib-board installation guide.

People dont die installing gib board. It still is ok if I have an opinion here ah?

[rosie631]

The best rides are the 'smaller number/pm on the day/lets go' rides, thats where my enjoyment comes from now.

Tend to agree with you there.

[Mom]

If the disclaimer you refer to above is an attempt to avoid legal liability it is likely that if tested it would fail.

So, if I organise a ride on here with the rider (disclaimer) "This ride is not going to follow the "Guidelines of KB"", you are saying I am then legally liable if something goes wrong, should it be tested in court? Now I am confused. I thought that there was no liability issues with these guidelines.

[_STAIN_]

under what is now in place you must grade your ride

[MadDuck]

under what is now in place you must grade your ride

Some of our best rides have seen new bikers and new KBers just turning up.

I would hate to see this gone.

[The Stranger:Me]

It still is ok if I have an opinion here ah?

What the hell is your problem MadDuck?
No one has flamed you or rubbished your opinion. People are being patient and entertaining your arguments, but some disagree.
Is it ok if we disagree?
Chill out, debate by all means, but don't post if you don't want a response.

[Virago]

It still is ok if I have an opinion here ah?

It certainly is. But what about the rest of us?