It is all our fault

[jono035]

As for point two, no matter how much you dislike it, the office lady on the 50cc scooter is a motorcyclist too

But someone who is riding a scooter out of convenience/economics rather than someone who enjoys it.

You don't get good at driving/riding by merely clocking up the kms, you have to be constantly adjusting, recognising what you could have done better, constantly thinking 'what if'.

This is just an observation I have made over the years, if you don't enjoy doing something, you rarely become 'good' at it.

[firefighter]

What you do in the toilet is fine by me - just make sure you clean up after yourself.

In the toilet!? Hell no on the couch, when your finished you can write your name on the wall....

As for point two, no matter how much you dislike it, the office lady on the 50cc scooter is a motorcyclist too

I will never, ever, ever agree, that a little scooterist on a baby scooter, is a motorcyclist. No way, no how.

On a 250cc+ scooter, maybe. But not quite.

[cheshirecat]

There's stats and stats re who's at fault.

Most common numbers are these (see at end)

And Noway's a safe (relative) place to drive

[Edbear]

In that case, mopeds should be in there too. Because they have two wheels, and the consequences of an accident can also be major.

Really, the statistics for scooters, saying I agree with you, should only be added for the scooters with the engine capacity where your required a bike licence to ride them-this I agree with.

Some stupid office bitch on a CAR licence riding a 50cc scooter in her skirt and half helmet, is not in the same category.

She's not the one having the accidents, though...

[firefighter]

She's not the one having the accidents, though...

Still, and I say it again for the fifth time.

That's not the point.

Besides, if you read the actual chart it shows the scooters are up there with the bikes......so yes she is........Just not as many.

* Vehicles at fault

(crashes involving motorcycles in Auckland City):

2004: 6 scooter, 7 motorcycle - 69 per cent

2005: 4 scooter, 12 motorcycle - 76 per cent

2006: 8 scooter, 12 motorcycle - 74 per cent

2007: 8 scooter, 14 motorcycle - 69 per cent

2008: 9 scooter, 16 motorcycle - 61 per cent

[Fatjim]

I'd like to take up knitting instead but I hear the stats there aren't too good either.

[Conquiztador]

The only thing you can do individually is make sure that you are not part of this statistic. Apart from that...

[dipshit]

Most common numbers are these (see at end)

Only when you listen to motorcycle organisations that tell you bullshit and half-truths.

[vgcspares]

strangely enough I'd concur with others that the Police's stats are not representative - I spend enough time chasing car drivers at fault to know in a car vs bike scenario it is not 70% at the door of born again motorcyclists

indeed the "born again" bit is now getting a bit tired as most of them have now built back up their skills (bearing in mind we're talking about people who were teenagers in the 60's & 70's, any of whom who were going to come back to biking have already done so)

[cheshirecat]

strangely enough I'd concur with others that the Police's stats are not representative - I spend enough time chasing car drivers at fault to know in a car vs bike scenario it is not 70% at the door of born again motorcyclists

indeed the "born again" bit is now getting a bit tired as most of them have now built back up their skills (bearing in mind we're talking about people who were teenagers in the 60's & 70's, any of whom who were going to come back to biking have already done so)

Agree. As a born again myself it did take a bit of time but no more so then getting used to another bike. Much of it was relief tyres and brakes actually work in the wet and the beastie went round bumpy corners without the frame turning to jelly - oh and taking a coupe of hours initially to find the rear spark plugs and get them out

[Latte]

indeed the "born again" bit is now getting a bit tired as most of them have now built back up their skills (bearing in mind we're talking about people who were teenagers in the 60's & 70's, any of whom who were going to come back to biking have already done so)

Is there a time limit to being a born again? Surely as the current ones move on, there a new ones to take their place. Same with squids and learners etc. I may have the wrong read on it.

[slofox]

I think its significant that although the percentages are high, the actual numbers are quite low - lower than I would have expected, given the numbers out there.

So in reality, most of the bikes/scooters on these roads are NOT having accidents. Which is reassuring.

[oldrider]

4 wheeler farm bikes have four wheels so they should be included in car statistics.....

Are these included with "motorcycle" statistics? (they are not motorcycles)

Or are they separated from road crash statistics along with other "farm bikes"?

I agree with others who doubt statistical ACC information!

[dipshit]

I think its significant that although the percentages are high, the actual numbers are quite low - lower than I would have expected, given the numbers out there.

So in reality, most of the bikes/scooters on these roads are NOT having accidents. Which is reassuring.

Except two things.

1: It is still a higher percentage than what the car drivers are having.

2: The majority of more serious injury and fatal accidents were the fault of the rider.

[Danae]

I notice he mentioned that car drivers need to look out for motorcyclists, but we need a bit more than just a sentence or two in an article.