Directions to the bombing range

[hamstar]

I don't see how being caught up there is going to ruin it for anyone?! WTF are you people going on about? Please explain.

I didn't mean to bag organized rides. They can be fun but what if theres none on when I want to go riding? What if the times places don't suit me and I want to go for a quick unstructured blat? I like sand dunes, so obviously I'm going to head up the beach.

[random rider]

Ordnance maybe?

If it was that large a threat, and the NZDF viewed it that way, it would be better signposted.


What about the injuries that occur on horses? Do you pay an ACC on a dirt bike to think of it?

A lot cheaper for ACC to pay for a pink mist than a broken back from coming off into a pine tree......

OK - SO I can't spell - but I do not work in the NZDF with bombs so don't know what they are really called - but I see that you do belong to NZDF. Surely then you would be aware that as Defence Force land no one is allowed in there even if you are Navy as you have no reason to be there. Would you like a copy of the RNZAF Base Standing Orders sent to you so that you can see that you are not allowed there?????? Maybe seeing it in writing and realising in your case you are risking a lot more than others will make the difference?

At present new signs are being put up but surely reading one that tells you to keep out would be enough or do you struggle to understand big words??

The Redflags indicate that bombing is taking place then - but you cannot access it at anytime.

Also I totally don't get the horse analogy - but yeah if someone took a horse into the bombing range I would have same issue. I don't have any problem with ACC claims when people hurt themselves but riding in that area makes you a complete tosser.

[chop]

I don't see how being caught up there is going to ruin it for anyone?! WTF are you people going on about? Please explain.

I didn't mean to bag organized rides. They can be fun but what if theres none on when I want to go riding? What if the times places don't suit me and I want to go for a quick unstructured blat? I like sand dunes, so obviously I'm going to head up the beach.

People tend to tar all people involved bikes with the same brush. if you behave like a halfwit then the assume we all do. If they cannot punish the one that did it they punish all. The amount of red tape and buricratic crap we have to go through to be aloud to use the land because of tree hugging ad noise restrictions and pc crap is huge. All it takes is one simpleton to hurt themselves or some one else or do damage to property or cut fences or burn the f*#king forest down cause they think they can go where ever and do what ever they want cause they think they know best and its all over for everyone! You cant just drive around the army base or a regional park and do what ever the f#*K you like cause your too tight to pay $25-$35 like the rest of us or because you feel like it! Get real dude have a look around you and realise your stupid actions can impact on others, and if they do you'll have alot of pissed off riders looking for you.

[sAsLEX]

At present new signs are being put up but surely reading one that tells you to keep out would be enough or do you struggle to understand big words??

Yup. That's why if it was a threat to public health there would be signs surrounding the dangerous area, not just one at the carpark and some where on the beach front.

Most of the ways I access the actual range area have none of the standard "Defence Property blah blah going past this sign is punishable by an imprisonment term not exceeding 2 years ....." signs anywhere. Yet most bases/camps have them at set distances around the perimeter.


Look here is one at a temporary camp.

In fact a layman might not know what the sign at the car park is, ride up the beach, miss the other sign well up in the dunes out of sight, and unknowingly cross on to Defence property?

Also I totally don't get the horse analogy - but yeah if someone took a horse into the bombing range I would have same issue.

He was talking about the costs of ACC. As a road rider I pay a lot towards ACC, yet have only ever (touch wood) hurt myself on my dirt bike, and my push bike...... and yet after talking to some marshals at the old sandpit in the Honda days the majority of calls for ambulances came from the horses...... tangent I know.

[hamstar]

People tend to tar all people involved bikes with the same brush. if you behave like a halfwit then the assume we all do. If they cannot punish the one that did it they punish all. The amount of red tape and buricratic crap we have to go through to be aloud to use the land because of tree hugging ad noise restrictions and pc crap is huge. All it takes is one simpleton to hurt themselves or some one else or do damage to property or cut fences or burn the f*#king forest down cause they think they can go where ever and do what ever they want cause they think they know best and its all over for everyone! You cant just drive around the army base or a regional park and do what ever the f#*K you like cause your too tight to pay $25-$35 like the rest of us or because you feel like it! Get real dude have a look around you and realise your stupid actions can impact on others, and if they do you'll have alot of pissed off riders looking for you.

OK so why the fuck are we fighting amongst ourselves instead of telling those beauracratic wankers to harden the fuck up. Instead you're recruited by the Muriwai Beach Bitch Brigade.

The dunes aren't defence force land right? And the dunes aren't woodhill forest land right? So how can anyone but the tree huggers kick up a stink and ban us from organized rides/the bike park?

Education is what is needed to tell these limpdicked city slickers that there's fucking nothing up there that is nothing getting harmed by the bikes as the dunes move by themselves and reform thanks to the wind, a few bikes don't do jack shit. The teals or terns or whatever are fenced off as well. Tell them to worry about global warming and *scoff* recycling.

Its not being tight that stops me from going to the bike park, its the fact that the tracks are all the same everytime I go, I want to go somewhere different every now and then, mix it up a bit.

I wanna ride on the dunes, I'm going to ride on the dunes, fuck DOC, I'm sure theres some dolphins somewhere that need poisoning. I don't cut fences, I don't smoke (butts causing fires), and I don't break into the forest. So eat my ass.

[Reckless]

This'll be good!

[B0000M]

This'll be good!

i 2nd that.

[t595]

This'll be good!

me 2!!!

[Reckless]

i 2nd that.

Yeh the twit told chop to

eat my ass.

[roy.nz]

OK so why the fuck are we fighting amongst ourselves instead of telling those beauracratic wankers to harden the fuck up. Instead you're recruited by the Muriwai Beach Bitch Brigade.

The dunes aren't defence force land right? And the dunes aren't woodhill forest land right? So how can anyone but the tree huggers kick up a stink and ban us from organized rides/the bike park?

Education is what is needed to tell these limpdicked city slickers that there's fucking nothing up there that is nothing getting harmed by the bikes as the dunes move by themselves and reform thanks to the wind, a few bikes don't do jack shit. The teals or terns or whatever are fenced off as well. Tell them to worry about global warming and *scoff* recycling.

Its not being tight that stops me from going to the bike park, its the fact that the tracks are all the same everytime I go, I want to go somewhere different every now and then, mix it up a bit.

I wanna ride on the dunes, I'm going to ride on the dunes, fuck DOC, I'm sure theres some dolphins somewhere that need poisoning. I don't cut fences, I don't smoke (butts causing fires), and I don't break into the forest. So eat my ass.

Hamstar i thought riding on any part of that beach without reg and wof was illegal, you say you not being tight so go tho thunder valley, kimmys or a riverhead ride for something different. If you want ride a beach make a weekend of it and go up north down south or anywhere is just keep of the bombing range beach you idiot
Just dont do it because it is Fucking illegal

[Ktmboy]

OK so why the fuck are we fighting amongst ourselves instead of telling those beauracratic wankers to harden the fuck up. Instead you're recruited by the Muriwai Beach Bitch Brigade.

The dunes aren't defence force land right? And the dunes aren't woodhill forest land right? So how can anyone but the tree huggers kick up a stink and ban us from organized rides/the bike park?

Education is what is needed to tell these limpdicked city slickers that there's fucking nothing up there that is nothing getting harmed by the bikes as the dunes move by themselves and reform thanks to the wind, a few bikes don't do jack shit. The teals or terns or whatever are fenced off as well. Tell them to worry about global warming and *scoff* recycling.

Its not being tight that stops me from going to the bike park, its the fact that the tracks are all the same everytime I go, I want to go somewhere different every now and then, mix it up a bit.

I wanna ride on the dunes, I'm going to ride on the dunes, fuck DOC, I'm sure theres some dolphins somewhere that need poisoning. I don't cut fences, I don't smoke (butts causing fires), and I don't break into the forest. So eat my ass.

Robert. (Waitoki is a great spot)
I don't mean to be a smart arse and I'm not going to eat yours. But you are fairly new to biking and probably don't understand the history of Woodhill or the reasons why etc etc.

We are not townies and don't come from the Northshore as you did.

Here is a couple of answers, factual, to your questions.

"The dunes aren't defence force land right? And the dunes aren't woodhill forest land right?" Yes, there is a designated area that is defence land(owned by the crown)If you stop and look at the signs on the way up it is clearly visable. They do have or rather used to have signs around the perimeter but dicks pull them out and when caught say "What sign" Forestry land runs to the Hi tide mark. From there to the surf is road. This is fact!!

The reason that people are getting pissed is because riders that go up to the range generally don't ride just the range but tresspass even more into the forestry, into areas that piss forestry and private block owners off so that when clubs and organisations want to have a ride for the masses up there the land owners tell us to get stuffed. Here is a classic example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCLTSAS7zw4
I have had two head ons in 4 months on these tracks and we are legally allowed there. Some body is going to get killed
Its the odd couple that stuff it up for the rest.Again.
The forestry looks likely to get new owners in the next couple of years. We as a community are on notice and if we bugger things up we could lose an area to ride. This includes the whole of Muriwai beach north.

You should discuss it with t595. He lives just around the corner. Better still come and have a chat with me.


See you have now just got tarred with the same brush as them unfortunately

[hamstar]

[post crossover]

btw, I'm not from the shore, only lived there for a year and came back to Waitoki/Dairy flat

[Ktmboy]

I was saying "eat my ass" to anyone who disagrees with riding on the dunes. I still haven't heard a valid reason apart from the illegality of it. If a law is unjust it is ones civil duty to break it. Is riding on the dunes themselves illegal? Or just the range? I'm not so sure about riding in the range itself now but surely if was really a public health hazard they would fence it off knowing that people go up there regardless. A big fence and a sign like the ones off the desert road would ensure no one went in there.

We should be able to ride the dunes its not fair, why are riders divided on this issue?

Riding in riverhead is illegal and breaking into private property too no? I intend on going to kimmys and maybe thunder valley they sound like fun, but they don't have dunes. I would like to check out Ahipara but its a bit of a mission to get up there same with north head.

I'm making a stand here, I believe it is our right to enjoy the sand dunes at south head as much as it is anyone elses, 4X4 people, horse people (though riding that far would be a mission), everyone.

Quite simply.Its not your right. Its somebody elses land.

Wether it be owned by the crown its still rented to Forestry and to other operators, e.g Defense, and they pay rent. The same as a state house is owned by the crown and rented out. Try riding you quad around a state rental in South Akld and see what happens. And yes the horse riders pay subs to ride like all others. This pays for road wear and tear, insurances etc etc.
Its that simple really. Can I come and ride when ever I want on your land?

[Ktmboy]

[post crossover]

btw, I'm not from the shore, only lived there for a year and came back to Waitoki/Dairy flat

Still classed as a dorklander even if you did come from the country.
I came from Kaikohe bro and the don't get any harder than that!!

[barty5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCLTSAS7zw4

Fuck me fell asleep watching that what a bore there is just so much skill involved in that style of riding recon those guys could take on J Stewart with those mad skills i can now see why we should all go to the range and ride. Although it could be easyer to just sit in your drive at home with yah bike on blocks and rev the shit out of it would be more skill involed makin the blocks for it to stand on.
As for the drag race with no helmet real bright parents there.