So motorcycle deaths are overrepresented

[Tink]

Always remember people, that they can't see you, mostly because no one gets taught how to look for other road users in NZ.

White helmets don't help.

Reflective vests don't help.

ABS won't help.

Something I actually agree with.. but

..........take some heat people.....

If we as motorcyclists want to reduce the toll on our kind, then first thing we need to do is have a look within, i.e at ourselves.............doing this would provide lower negative stats over night...... how would this be achieved, well sadly it wont and these stats will continue to pour out until the government do something drastic and unfortunately that's likely to be inevitable

With that in mind... I can only say improve the road transportation, make offenders (speeders), learners & immigrants with limited NZ driving experience ... drive NODDY CARS... one should be fined immediately with community service (not money) for not stopping at a stop sign, driving in the over taking lane on the motorway at less that 99km, driving too close... *555 should work... all the time... improve the wages of the simple non sworn officers that may take the calls, or have to clean up the mess... 60% no claim bonus on insurance should be 80%.

You can't change the mentality of the people with words on here or dialling *555 but you can educate your children at school, and in the home.

Driving should come under education in schools, like health.. .smoking is bad for you but driving drunk or dangerous driving will kill someone else eventually.

On that note I wish Winston001 all the best, and for a speedy recover down south...

[Genestho]

With all due respect, I agree with you. But there are some flaws in your post:
- Generally less than 10 high profile accidents were needed for each of the targets in my post to trigger regulation drafts. Yet after more than years of suffering from drunks we still haven't got any strong measures implemented. Your post highlighted this by saying "over the last year, there are groups now aligning...". Yet still no action.
- The government may be listening, but the people behind traffic safety are still the same old Labour-appointed people. Howard Broad to name a few. Andy Knackstedt is still there. etc etc. Yes there is a new pilot on our Hercules but it still won't dogfight an F15.

Basically, we're still stuck in the rut. What this government needs is a purge.

No, with all due respect, I am in the coalface, I have seen things start to move.
I can see where you might think you will be in a rut, as you don't see behind the scenes.

Reviews take time for what ever reasons, things don't happen over night, yes you are correct, we have a labour led road safety plan and beyond and some old favourites, still in place, which is being questioned, but it could be too late.

What you fail to see or know, is from 2007, we - the lobbyists, had doors shut in our face regarding drink driving, then with enough pushing - a review was conducted, from the review - trials were conducted, now - through research submitted (and one would hope trials completed), we have the researched alternative pushed through the 2020 road safety plan, that needs to pass through public support.

I would say going from "it ain't gonna happen" to something, indicates things are moving.

As with any govt, problems need to be targeted, and research needs to be conducted to find the solutions.
There is very little research in this country to go by, the statistics on offer are not complete.

We have had to look outside this country, and outside the square box to find the solutions.

You may see a bland figure of 30,000 prosecutions, or random stories of injury and fatalities...

What stands out clearly is high numbers of categories -12,000 disqualified drink drivers, repeat drunks, 2/3 drunks with 0.015 bac, youth drunks, old drunks, maori drunks (oh yes folks I said it) causing fatalities.

Car conversion 7 years - EBA causing Death - 5

It is a hard task to start with and not as simple as you would think.
First EBA causing death is not seen as a violent crime, it is a traffic offence.

Throw em in jail - er what jail? That would be great if we lived in the States.
The Prisons are nigh on full - there seems to be reluctance to double bunk cells, containers, whatever the Police or Justice suggest they are cut off by do gooders, you the public have to write letters and change that if you support it!! Because obviously we're not just talking Drink driving, we're talking crime in general!

Ban their license you scream, 75% of disqualified drink drivers with revoked licenses continue to drive!!!!!

What 'we' have done for the last 10 years, is treat all drink drivers the same, and use education and intiatives that are out dated and as dead as the victims caused by infringements, community service and home D.

My lobby group (Crossroads) held a conference over the weekend, and from that pooled our resources to ratify policy, which will be released very soon.

The next journey regarding iniatives - will be an uphill battle and could take years based on where we've come from.

What is needed for change is a massive overhaul and support from all agencies, from police to courts, to corrections, to education, to health sector, insurance companies, and the booze sector.

Nothing will be done in this Goverment without public support! And that is a fact. This Government listens, I can tell you the last one didn't.
(Sorry to take this off topic )

[2wheeldrifter]

Well done T.W.G I applaud your work

[Marmoot]

I do applaud your work too.

But I still struggle to understand how it took less than 6 months from that Christchurch boyracer shooting cop incident to law for crushing boyracer cars, yet there is still no talk of crushing drunk driver cars?

[Genestho]

I do applaud your work too.

But I still struggle to understand how it took less than 6 months from that Christchurch boyracer shooting cop incident to law for crushing boyracer cars, yet there is still no talk of crushing drunk driver cars?

See even boy racer car crushing sounds like it may have been thwarted by the do gooders. I know that was a touchy subject!!!!

Public need to write letters of support, for what ever it is they support, to paper, to the ministers, and keep them going! Because for every solution there's people that stand in its way.

I asked Judith Collins how the reversal into drink drive name and shame went, I wasn't given the complete answer but what she did say was, that it was public support that reversed that PC move.

Car crushing in regards to drink driving needs to be tested on public support. There is someone looking into that, and he's bloody onto it too.
Myself, being practical I wonder if the sale of cars and recycling the money is a better way to go......vs scrap metal. But you'd have to sit down and weigh it all up.

I'll stress again that this govt won't do anything if there's no noise!!

[Quasievil]

Crushing Cars is a waste of time, they will only go and get another Car, for a true positive result I say crush the drivers, easier to dispose of also