Demerits for speeding changing?

[Thani-B]

The message about demerit points quadrupling on a public holiday is wrong.

Well it wont be.. Normal demerits are going to double. So the normal for then will be doubled for public holidays. Thats not quadrupling for what they will be then if copper was telling me the truth

If you get your licence suspended, your demerit points go back to zero.

T'was a different copper that told me otherwise.

[Zuki lover]

only time before they bring it in here .... boo hoo

[p.dath]

Well it wont be.. Normal demerits are going to double. So the normal for then will be doubled for public holidays. Thats not quadrupling for what they will be then if copper was telling me the truth

T'was a different copper that told me otherwise.

That would imply that demerit points are doubled on a public holiday now - which I don't believe is the case. I can't find anything that says this.

So that would mean demerit points would quadruple on a public holiday, if they are not doubled now.

[Thani-B]

That would imply that demerit points are doubled on a public holiday now - which I don't believe is the case. I can't find anything that says this.

So that would mean demerit points would quadruple on a public holiday, if they are not doubled now.

You've totally lost me so Im going to give up lol. I dont know how else to explain it.

[caseye]

It's alright Thani, we know what you mean.

[Chrislost]

I read the first post as saying the demirits rise, not the fine. I can recall the govt saying a while back they were doing this ... sort of removes the "revenue gathering" argument doesn't it? Less money but more pedestrians.

I personally feel that they should hit shit drivers rather then speedsters.

[Coldrider]

You've totally lost me so Im going to give up lol. I dont know how else to explain it.

OMG! normal people give up....

[Thani-B]

OMG! normal people give up....

Id hardly call myself normal lol. Im just lazy. And p.dath just doesnt get what I mean.

[oldrider]

But this is not about trying to make people pay more. In fact, most people will have a smaller fine to pay.
Its about issuing more demerit points. You don't have a choice - they just go on your licence.

With respect, by "pay" I don't necessarily mean money, I mean loss of licence to real honest working people is a "big deal" a real inconvenience!

Those that don't care, don't pay, don't give a stuff, will just carry on! (the way recidivist drunk drivers do and get away with it!)

It's like the gun laws, the smacking laws and the dangerous dog laws, nothing ever really changes!

Except for the people who try hard to stand by the laws anyway! Ordinary Joe citizen, to be exact!

[McJim]

I can cycle to work for six months - no probs there. Will even save myself 6 months road tax and a warrant of fitness. I've seen someone stung for $300+ in a single speeding incident - I'd have to pay that up in installments.

However for some people making the stakes that high may mean loss of licence = loss of employment = loss of home, family and essentially life as they know it. People who fall into that group will know they're fucked anyway so will risk doing the runner because if they do the runner successfully then they will not be fucked.

Fucked for 120km+ and you stop for the cops
Fucked if you run and get caught
Safe if you run and make it.

What other choice has been given the people in this group? (apart from the ol' don't speed in the first place for which it is too late in this hypothesis)

[p.dath]

However for some people making the stakes that high may mean loss of licence = loss of employment = loss of home, family and essentially life as they know it. People who fall into that group will know they're fucked anyway so will risk doing the runner because if they do the runner successfully then they will not be fucked.

Fucked for 120km+ and you stop for the cops
Fucked if you run and get caught
Safe if you run and make it.

What other choice has been given the people in this group? (apart from the ol' don't speed in the first place for which it is too late in this hypothesis)

There has always been provision to get a "day licence" for those who loose there licence where it would cause undue hardship beyond the offence committed. Day licences are commonly and regularly issued.
So I can't accept that as a reason for doing a runner.

However do a runner, and get caught, and you'll probably end up with a criminal conviction.
That means you're going to have problems getting lots of jobs. You wont be able to travel to most developed countries in the world anymore. Pretty much, your going to really screw yourself over badly.

Worse still, don't get caught but the Police manage to ID you, and issue a warrant for your arrest. Now you could potentially be arrested any time. You definitely can never leave the country because you'll be detained on the spot.


Doing a runner would be a bad choice - no matter what.

[p.dath]

With respect, by "pay" I don't necessarily mean money, I mean loss of licence to real honest working people is a "big deal" a real inconvenience!

Those that don't care, don't pay, don't give a stuff, will just carry on! (the way recidivist drunk drivers do and get away with it!)

It's like the gun laws, the smacking laws and the dangerous dog laws, nothing ever really changes!

Except for the people who try hard to stand by the laws anyway! Ordinary Joe citizen, to be exact!

But "real honest working people" wont have an issue unless they repeatedly speed and get caught over a two year period. If you need your licence, and don't want to accept the consequences - don't speed. It really is that simple.

There is likely to be tougher changes with regards to recidivist drivers. We need to wait and see the outcome of the Safer Journeys discussion first. I'm hoping for a greater level of vehicle confiscation. Simply take the car off those that repeatedly break the the law to that degree and simply don't care.
Eventually they end up "no mates Nigel". No one will dare let them near their vehicle, and they'll run out of vehicles of their own.

[McJim]

There has always been provision to get a "day licence" for those who loose there licence where it would cause undue hardship beyond the offence committed. Day licences are commonly and regularly issued.
So I can't accept that as a reason for doing a runner.

Doing a runner would be a bad choice - no matter what.

Takes too long to apply for a day licence - their job would have been long gone.

And I wasn't talking about me doing a runner

This is all hypothesis anyway isn't it? Apparently they still give driving licences to people who can near enough drive rather than continually failing people until they really can drive properly.

All they need to do is fail the fuckwits contuinually until they give up and NZ roads will be a safer place. Worked well in blighty.

[p.dath]

Takes too long to apply for a day licence - their job would have been long gone.

Mate, if your job is that important then it's real simple, don't repeatedly speed over a two year period. All people have to do is slow down to the limit. It's really simple.

[oldrider]

Mate, if your job is that important then it's real simple, don't repeatedly speed over a two year period. All people have to do is slow down to the limit. It's really simple.

Good grief. You are obviously the son of a (broken down) Methodist minister! Get a life man!