Demerits for speeding changing?

[Hinny]

I am a snot nosed grot with me arse hangin out the top of me pants who can do what he likes and fuck everyone else .......

As above... this is not a confessional.

You had me in a dilemma Patrick trying to work you out and then I remembered you are not from the 'Naki. You're a relocated Jaffa.
That explains it.
Or alternatively, like John Banks, you boxed as a young man.

[Gremlin]

Most of these are done for sentencing purposes, seeking a limited license. Then, prosecutions is involved.

Loss of license over demerits is a matter between the license loser and the approving court... no one else....

If applying for a limited license, it is best to send it to prosecution, and see if they will not oppose the application. If they do, the likelihood of having your limited license application denied is much greater.

It almost becomes a rubber stamp, if prosecution does not oppose, judge will normally approve it with little thought.

Plenty of time spent on it too, as it goes back and forth, as you do what you can to make the license as flexible as possible, while they think work is from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday (don't I fricken wish).

[Toaster]

Police officers don't actively discourage speeding by any other means than to issue infringement notices. Remember that.

Not true. Other policies are used. One example is having to park in a marked patrol car prior to a high crash rate area for a number of hours each shift to help remind people to slow down. An extremely boring role to fulfill and one that brought in next to no productivity (tickets issued), but this was done based on research that showed that general driving behaviour improved for an average of 15 minutes after seeing the police car.

The desired effect was to reduce the crash rate in these high risk areas. One for the boffins and stats nerds in intel to work out.

After that time.... well it's back to funding the doughnuts.

[twinkle]

The countries with the lowest death rates in Europe, Germany and Italy, have the highest speed limits. Unlimited in many places.

Only on the motorway outside of the cities where traffic is separated by a solid barrier. We hardly have any motorways outside of cities in NZ, maybe only north and south of Auckland, and only for a short distance.
It is 100km/hr or less all other places.
And they have spectacular crashes sometimes http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8159290.stm

[Patrick]

As above... this is not a confessional.

You had me in a dilemma Patrick trying to work you out and then I remembered you are not from the 'Naki. You're a relocated Jaffa.
That explains it.
Or alternatively, like John Banks, you boxed as a young man.

Confessional?

Thought you had forgotten the main part in your post......

Right on both counts tho. Relocated 8 years ago.

I lost a scrap once, so took up boxing in Glen Eden.

[Hinny]

Not true. Other policies are used. One example is having to park in a marked patrol car prior to a high crash rate area for a number of hours each shift to help remind people to slow down. An extremely boring role to fulfill and one that brought in next to no productivity (tickets issued), but this was done based on research that showed that general driving behaviour improved for an average of 15 minutes after seeing the police car.

The desired effect was to reduce the crash rate in these high risk areas. One for the boffins and stats nerds in intel to work out.

After that time.... well it's back to funding the doughnuts.

Another fkawed policy in my opinion. Part of the dopey policy they have adopted.
Whereverf you see Patrol cars on Motorways at peak times you see compression waves being created and accidents and near misses happening. They create congestion simply by being parked on the side of the road.
If the people who implement these policies took the time to get in the air they would see how dopey this policy is.

[Hinny]

I lost a scrap once, so took up boxing in Glen Eden.

That explains it then.

[NinjaNanna]

Not true. Other policies are used. One example is having to park in a marked patrol car prior to a high crash rate area for a number of hours each shift to help remind people to slow down. An extremely boring role to fulfill and one that brought in next to no productivity (tickets issued), but this was done based on research that showed that general driving behaviour improved for an average of 15 minutes after seeing the police car.

The desired effect was to reduce the crash rate in these high risk areas. One for the boffins and stats nerds in intel to work out.

After that time.... well it's back to funding the doughnuts.

Interesting I've always thought that the move to undercover cars was wrong - as you say a visible presence within the community works.

hiding in unmarked cars trying to catch speeders does not work as well on the community at large. As far as I can see an unmarked car will only catch those who unwittingly overtake said car, meanwhile every car traveling in the other direction is obvilious to the policing that is going on.

[scuzeme]

I gave up road riding to save myself from getting tickets and got into track riding to get my adrenalin fix....on the way to a Manfeild Track day with my bike ontop of my ute i got a ticket for speeding and then got another one same day on the way home it was an expensive day.

Im definitely selling my Duke if this stuff becomes law, there gunna have so many ppl losing their licenses it wont be funny.

[oldrider]

Was talking to a copper the other morning, he told me that the demerit system for speeding was changing next year. Apparently there is going to be a flat fine for all speeds, instead of the levels that are current at the moment. And the demerits are going to double. For example, going 14km over the limit gets you an $80 fine and 20 demerits, correct? Im not sure what the fine will be but the demerits will be 40. And more good news, on public holiday weekends, the demerits double. So you would get 80. He said they are bringing this in for Easter weekend. Any one else heard this?

Typical NZ political reaction, punish those that care because they will conform! (and pay up)

The real "serious offenders" don't pay, don't care and don't change their behaviour anyway!

So lets kid ourselves that we are "doing something positive" by beating shit out of the easy compliant targets! Bloody

[mowgli]

But if you get caught doing 120 on a public holiday, you've just lost your licence.

So if you're gonna get caught speeding you might as well be caught speeding big. You lose your licence either way.

This is going to encourage more runners...

Agreed

[Thani-B]

So if you're gonna get caught speeding you might as well be caught speeding big. You lose your licence either way.

Exactly. So on a public holiday, if you feel like speeding, may as well do it properly. He said flat fine so it will be the same no matter how fast you are going.

Oh but I did hear that they were only going to write off the 100 points you had when you lost your licence, so if you had 120 points you would still have 20 on it when you got it back. Again, not sure if this is correct. So if that is the case, maybe you wouldnt want to do the above.

[p.dath]

Typical NZ political reaction, punish those that care because they will conform! (and pay up)

The real "serious offenders" don't pay, don't care and don't change their behaviour anyway!

So lets kid ourselves that we are "doing something positive" by beating shit out of the easy compliant targets! Bloody

But this is not about trying to make people pay more. In fact, most people will have a smaller fine to pay.
Its about issuing more demerit points. You don't have a choice - they just go on your licence.

[p.dath]

Exactly. So on a public holiday, if you feel like speeding, may as well do it properly. He said flat fine so it will be the same no matter how fast you are going.

Oh but I did hear that they were only going to write off the 100 points you had when you lost your licence, so if you had 120 points you would still have 20 on it when you got it back. Again, not sure if this is correct. So if that is the case, maybe you wouldnt want to do the above.

The message about demerit points quadrupling on a public holiday is wrong. And of course, if you "flat line" your bike (assuming you don't have a 50cc scooter) you more likely to loose your licence instantly, plus potentially face a dangerous driving charge. So that's crazy talk.

If you get your licence suspended, your demerit points go back to zero.

[caseye]

So if you're gonna get caught speeding you might as well be caught speeding big. You lose your licence either way.

Agreed

Whatever the actual case may be it concerns me to see people stating this sort of behaviour is Ok. It's not, run and what next, pass on a double yellow round a blind bend to lose the copper???? On Ya's! bloody fools, come on better that someone who is concerned enough about what is being said goes to the actual authority in charge of this stuff and ASKs, whats really going on.
Thani I'm sure you are telling it how it has been relayed to you, no worries there, but I'd want to see this at least in draught form from Govt before I took it seriously.
Cheers mowgli now I know I'll look hard into it, did that make sense?