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    Think you had to work for your licence?

    So I've been casually researching motorcycling abroad....

    and HO. LY. BALLS.

    Apparently, this is how they do things in France. Apologies for the wall of text. And I think this should be here rather than Biker Politics and Law, if only because it might provide a little insight upon the easy mode that is New Zealand licensing.

    http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf...4526MWEFSX.htm

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    I've received several emails about obtaining a motorcycle license here in France, mostly out of curiosity rather than necessity. It is a complicated and lengthy process, so here's the scoop:

    The License

    In France, as in the rest of Europe, you need to have a motorcycle license (type A) to be able to ride a motorcycle with more than 125 cc (if you have had a car license for more than 2 years, you are allowed to ride a 125 cc motorcycle with less than 15 hp).

    If you're between 18 and 21 years old, you can get the "Progressive" A, meaning your motorcycle is not allowed to have more than 34 hp, and the weight/power ration may not exceed 0.16 kW/kg.

    After two years riding with a "Progressive" A license, or if you are older than 21 years, you can get the "Direct" A license, that allows you to ride any motorcycle (in France all motorcycles are restricted to 100 hp maximum).

    Rules of the Road

    First, you need to learn the general rules of the road (unless you got your car license within the last 5 years). This means learning either in a classroom, or from self teaching.

    When you're ready, you need to pass an exam. The exam is a multiple choice style, with a video projector displaying photos and/or videos. The test is timed, and you're allowed to have 5 errors for the 40 questions. Oh yeah... the test is in French.

    Motorcycle Control

    After you pass the rules of the road test, you need to go to a driving school. This is mandatory, as there are minimum hours you need to be "taught" how to ride. The minimum number of hours you need to train is 8 hours !

    The first portion is controlling your motorcycle. This is held in a non-traffic environment, usually on an abandoned parking area. You'll learn how to ride a, usually, 600 cc modified Honda, Suzuki or Kawasaki. The modification consist of a lower power, and crash bars all around the bike.

    The training is obviously in harmony with the exam. When you're deemed ready by your instructor, you need to pass the first motorcycle exam.

    Motorcycle Control Exam

    When you're ready, you need to reserve your first set of tests. At the exam place, you will need to do the following exams.

    1. Non Driving Exercise.

    The examiner will ask you to do one of several exercises. They can be "walking" your motorcycle through a pylon slalom, forwards or backwards (smaller people often have problems with this), putting your motorcycle on a center stand, etc.

    You need to demonstrate that you are able to control the motorcycle even when the engine is not running.

    Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    2. Mechanical Quiz.

    Next on the list are several questions about the mechanical abilities of your motorcycle. They're not very detailed, but you'll be asked how you verify your oil level, tire pressure, chains, etc.

    You don't need to be mechanically apt, but you need to know the basic parts of your motorcycle.

    Failure to comply, results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.


    3. Oral Motorcycle Quiz.

    The examiner will ask you, more or less in a conversation mode, specific questions on your ability to understand the differences between riding a motorcycle and driving a car. The questions are on specific motorcycle related laws. Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    4. Control at Low Speed.

    You need to maneuver your motorcycle through a slalom consisting of pylons in first gear. You are not allowed to touch the ground with your feet, drop a pylon or gasp, drop your bike. They check to see if your posture is correct. If you think that's easy, try it....

    Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle or hitting a pylon results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    5. Control at Low Speed with Pillion.

    Next after point 4, your instructor gets behind you, and then you need to ride another track with pylons at low speed (1st gear). The instructor is not allowed to talk to you to give you advice (but usually they use their legs to signal to you what you need to do).

    Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    6. High Speed Control.

    Now you need to run a fast slalom. This involves you riding your motorcycle at about 40-50 kph through several pylons, U-turn and a fast return. The whole track needs to be done between 18 and 21 seconds! If you go too fast, or too slow you disqualify ! Too fast is rare, but too slow happens all the time.

    Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    7. Emergency Control.

    At the end of #6, you are required to show that you are able to perform an emergency operation. This is either an obstacle avoidance (like a car door opening - not a real one, just a pylon) followed by emergency braking, or emergency braking by using your engine. Usually the speed is about 70 kph.

    You must start the maneuver at a certain point, AND you need to stop before a certain spot. If not, you're out ! Failure to comply, dropping your motorcycle results in an automatic disqualification, and you need to re-apply for the exam.

    8. Oral Exam.

    Once you've reach this stage you're almost done. Now you get to sit in an office, where they're going to quiz you for all the specific laws that apply only to motorcycles. It's usually in a more easy going environment, and often, at this stage, they are more or less easy going. Unless you're really stupid and answer all questions wrong, you'll pass this bit.

    Traffic Riding

    Although the traffic riding can be done concurrent with the motorcycle control, most schools choose to do this after the control exams (at least they know you'll not drop their precious motorcycle). You'll be riding your motorcycle equipped with an ear-piece in your helmet so you can hear your instructor talking to you via a walkie-talkie. Usually the instructor is in a car.... You need to spend at least 12 hours riding in traffic to be allowed to do your next exams.

    Once your instructor deems you ready, you need to do your exam. Using the same walkie-talkie technique, the examiner drives behind you telling you which way to go. The exam lasts 30 minutes, and not complying with ANY traffic rule disqualifies you !

    Points

    Once you get your precious motorcycle license, you get 6 points (normally you get 12). Any infraction, speeding or rules of the road, points get deducted. Once you've got 0 points, you loose your license and you need to start from scratch, often after 3 years !!

    If you've managed to ride without a loss of points for 2 years, you get the full 12 points !!

    The whole process can last about one year ! There are accelerated schools, where you can try to get your permit in a few days by a concentrated education.

    So, you can assume one thing. A French biker knows how to ride !!
    Now I'm not saying that none of us deserve our licences...

    But a process like that would sure as hell determine the men from the boys, the real riders from the posers. Don't even know if I could be bothered tbh...

    Far canal!

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    i thought waiting 18 months for a full was bad dam f that
    my 250 doesn't satisfy me anymore, shes just not doing it

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    high standards for the win.
    Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot

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    Sounds like a good idea to me.... if it's as tough for a car license too.
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    Did you see the part about all bikes being restricted to 100hp

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    In some parts of Europe it can cost 2000-3000 NZD to get a bike license. There's a disincentive for ya.


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    So can we ride on our New Zealand licences over there? Or do we have to go through some of that process?

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    LICENCE !!!


    (sorry - I'm having a REALLY bad day )




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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post
    LICENCE !!!


    (sorry - I'm having a REALLY bad day )
    OH JESUS!

    I'm so sorry. Seriously I am.

    I don't screw up like that.

    It's something that I don't do!

    ARGH!

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    s'alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post
    LICENCE!


    (Sorry - I'm having a really bad day. )




    ... And you are excused, Thani-B...
    Fixed, MsTriumph. The BDOTGNZA demands mild flagellation as punishment for your sins.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mstriumph View Post

    ....... and you are excused, Thani-B ..........
    Woop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr1MiNaL View Post
    sigh, people with big mouths on here are always the ones with little or no skill.
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    seems good

    Seems like a good system. One would assume that the car licence is the same or harder.

    The point is, that it is giving appropriate training the emphasis it requires, and it's giving a structured progression where by the learners are actually supervised and advised rather than just "set loose".

    Anything is better than the "here's your L, now go do it, try not to fuck up" we have here though. We don't do it in planes, we don't even do it in cars, but on a motorcycle, you're on your own as soon as you can drive round a car park without falling off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thani-B View Post
    So can we ride on our New Zealand licences over there? Or do we have to go through some of that process?
    We can ride there on our NZ licenses as most countries have reciprocal licensing agreements i.e. we can drive there, and they can drive over here.

    If you decide to live in France, then after a certain amount of time you will need to convert your NZ license into a French license.

    FWIW the rule about the 100hp limitation only applies to bikes that are registered in France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest View Post

    FWIW the rule about the 100hp limitation only applies to bikes that are registered in France.
    LMAO So there are thousands of Busa's riding round the streets of France registered as German/Swiss/Spanish bikes?
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