Just a warning that you may not be aware of

[Drogen Omen]

BUUUUUUUUUL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A three year old kid would die from a Heroin Overdose in about 10 seconds, he most likely would be unconscious in about um, 5 seconds not walking up to his Mum "whining"

If you believe the Heroin story, then your a fool.

The Piss and shit is true though!

awesome... we have an expert... has this happened to you before or are you a qualified doctor...?

[The Stranger:Me]

McDonalds, Burger king, Time Zone etc... All places with ball pits in the children's play area.
One of my sons lost his watch, and was very upset. We dug and dug in those balls, trying to find his watch.
Instead, we found vomit, food, faeces, and other stuff I do not want to discuss.

But did your son get his watch back, or did you buy him a new one?

You have provided a valuable service, keeping the rumour alive to allow the next numb nuts to be clearly identified.







Congratulations, you have just removed any doubt.

[boomer]

crap!! what year we in Now! must stop smoking this shit maannnn!!!!

not only that u must stop believing this 'shit' too....

[wbks]

awesome... we have an expert... has this happened to you before or are you a qualified doctor...?

It doesn't take a doctor to work out that it wouldn't take a few hours for heroin to suddenly kick in and send his eyes rolling around...

[SS90]

(........big heavy weary sigh)

Heroin is made from poppy seeds.

Poppy seeds contain MORPHINE.

Ever had a shot of Morphine after an accident or something similar? Ignoring movies (well actually the only thing war movies get right is how fast Morphine takes effect.)

10 seconds maximum.

Man if some wee nipper got even HALF a Junkie's dose into his ass, he would be dead in seconds, at the very least, in a Coma, and VERY shortly DEAD.

Just 200 mg can kill an adult (first time user), and "hard addicts" can handle up to 1800 mg at a go.............

How much would kill a little kid?

(OK, maybe Mille Elder could do 2000 mg, but she is "special"

Also, since when did Junkies take to "banking" their gear a) in syringes and b) storing those syringes in Mcdonalds?

Heroin comes as either a "block" (similar to hash), or a power.

It is then heated (with citrus juice normally), liquified, then taken intraveinously..........

The likely hood of a group of Junkies "stroring" their gear (anywhere, let alone a Mcdonalds) defies logic.

That's why they are called "JUNKIE SCUM" they score it, then take it.
The biggest piece of bullshit I have read in months.

If you believe that story, you are a drongo!

(no offence)

[wbks]

If you believe that story, you are a drongo!

(no offence)

And sounds like you are a former user

(no offense)

[paddy]

BUUUUUUUUUL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A three year old kid would die from a Heroin Overdose in about 10 seconds, he most likely would be unconscious in about um, 5 seconds not walking up to his Mum "whining"

If you believe the Heroin story, then your a fool.

The Piss and shit is true though!

Yes, you'd be a bit misguided to believe the OP, but unconscious in five 5 seconds and dead in 10. Ummm....no. For the sake of argument, lets just work that through for a second. For a start, you are talking about the amount of heroin that would fit in the broken off needle. That's around 0.01 to 0.05 ml depending on the needle. (I am also presuming that we are talking about the ENTIRE length of the needle not just the tip as described in the OP.)

Lets presume that the average weight of a 3 year old is around 15 kg calculated as 2(age + 4). Now it's difficult to obtain dosing data for diamorphine (heroin) so lets just use morphine sulphate which will be close enough for our purposes.

A safe therapeutic dose of morphine sulphate is 0.1 to 0.2 mg per kg. That equates to 1.5 to 3.0 ml of a 1:1 mixture (which would be very strong). Or in a 10:1 mixture (which would be unrealistically strong) that's 0.15 ml to 0.30 ml. I will stress that this would only be a therapeutic dose for establishing analgesia NOT a lethal dose. You can see the amount that would fit in a needle tip is a long way below the therapeutic dose let alone a lethal dose.

Let's also consider the method of injection and mode of action. Drugs injected intramuscularly have a slow onset of action. In the case of morphine given IM, you can expect peak analgesia around 30-60 minutes after injection. Even when given IV, the peak analgesic effects take around 20 minutes to become evident. In addition, in overdose scenarios, both morphine and diamorphine cause respiratory depression. That is to say, if you take enough, eventually your drive to breathe is removed. Before that though, your drive to breathe is reduced. Once you have stopped breathing it will take some time for your heart to stop. This is not an 5-10 second process.

Leaving SS90 alone for a minute, lets consider the OP. Lets IGNORE the fact that it reads like a hoax and apply the above logic. The OP states that the child died in the emergency room. Given the mode of action outlined above, I find that hard to believe. The respiratory depressant effects of diamorphine/morphine are easily and completely reversed with naloxone. In addition, respiratory support would have been provided if the child were suffering respiratory depression. In fact, diamorphine/morphine are not toxic in an of themselves. Even in the absence of naloxone it is possible to provide artificial ventilation until the effects of the drug have subsided.

[boomer]

Yes, you'd be a bit misguided to believe the OP, but unconscious in five 5 seconds and dead in 10. Ummm....no. For the sake of argument, lets just work that through for a second. For a start, you are talking about the amount of heroin that would fit in the broken off needle. That's around 0.01 to 0.05 ml depending on the needle. (I am also presuming that we are talking about the ENTIRE length of the needle not just the tip as described in the OP.)

Lets presume that the average weight of a 3 year old is around 15 kg calculated as 2(age + 4). Now it's difficult to obtain dosing data for diamorphine (heroin) so lets just use morphine sulphate which will be close enough for our purposes.

A safe therapeutic dose of morphine sulphate is 0.1 to 0.2 mg per kg. That equates to 1.5 to 3.0 ml of a 1:1 mixture (which would be very strong). Or in a 10:1 mixture (which would be unrealistically strong) that's 0.15 ml to 0.30 ml. I will stress that this would only be a therapeutic dose for establishing analgesia NOT a lethal dose. You can see the amount that would fit in a needle tip is a long way below the therapeutic dose let alone a lethal dose.

Let's also consider the method of injection and mode of action. Drugs injected intramuscularly have a slow onset of action. In the case of morphine given IM, you can expect peak analgesia around 30-60 minutes after injection. Even when given IV, the peak analgesic effects take around 20 minutes to become evident. In addition, in overdose scenarios, both morphine and diamorphine cause respiratory depression. That is to say, if you take enough, eventually your drive to breath is removed. Before that though, your drive to breath is reduced. Once you have stopped breathing it will take some time for your heart to stop. This is not an 5-10 second process.

Leaving Drogen_Omen alone for a minute, lets consider the OP. Lets IGNORE the fact that it reads like a hoax and apply the above logic. The OP states that the child died in the emergency room. Given the mode of action outlined above, I find that hard to believe. The respiratory depressant effects of diamorphine/morphine are easily and completely reversed with naloxone. In addition, respiratory support would have been provided if the child were suffering respiratory depression. In fact, diamorphine/morphine are not toxic in an of themselves. Even in the absence of naloxone it is possible to provide artificial ventilation until the effects of the drug have subsided.

im gonna red rep ya !

[SS90]

Sir, well done!

[paddy]

Ever had a shot of Morphine after an accident or something similar? Ignoring movies (well actually the only thing war movies get right is how fast Morphine takes effect.)

10 seconds maximum.

Man if some wee nipper got even HALF a Junkie's dose into his ass, he would be dead in seconds, at the very least, in a Coma, and VERY shortly DEAD.

While I completely, agree that the OP is rubbish, lets keep the arguments factual. Rapid onset of analgesia from Morphine Sulphate administration is a reality but only when given IV. The effects take much longer to become apparent when given IM (injected into a muscle rather than a vein).

When MS is given IV, most patients start to feel some effects within 1-2 minutes. PEAK analgesia is achieved at around the 20 minute mark.

If he/she got half a Junkie's does into his/her behind, it would still take some time to take effect (I'm not prepared to guess how long - but it's going to be in the order of minutes not seconds). And again, Coma would be caused by respiratory depression rather than the drug itself. In this scenario immediate CPR (focussing on rescue breathing) is extremely effective. The primary risk then becoming pulmonary aspiration (stomach contents entering the lungs) which is a long term rather than immediate issue.

[crazyhorse]

Absolutely gross!!!!

Never actually gave it a thought, but guess it probably does happen - and alot more than we would expect too.

[Drogen Omen]

yes it is a hoax but was fun to wind all you old cunts up... hahahaha

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ball-pit-death.html

google anything you want or can think of and then put "hoax" at the end of it and check if its a hoax first before you post more crap...

this thread can probs be closed now...

[paddy]

im gonna red rep ya !

Because we certainly wouldn't want facts or robust debate to stand in the way of a good yelling match. :-)

[ManDownUnder]

After he finished lunch, I allowed him to play in the ball pit. When he started whining later on, I asked him what was wrong, he pointed to the back of his pull-up and simply said 'Mommy, it hurts.'

I'm guessing it's not local then?

... or true?

[SS90]

While I completely, agree that the OP is rubbish, lets keep the arguments factual. Rapid onset of analgesia from Morphine Sulphate administration is a reality but only when given IV. The effects take much longer to become apparent when given IM (injected into a muscle rather than a vein).

When MS is given IV, most patients start to feel some effects within 1-2 minutes. PEAK analgesia is achieved at around the 20 minute mark.

If he/she got half a Junkie's does into his/her behind, it would still take some time to take effect (I'm not prepared to guess how long - but it's going to be in the order of minutes not seconds). And again, Coma would be caused by respiratory depression rather than the drug itself. In this scenario immediate CPR (focussing on rescue breathing) is extremely effective. The primary risk then becoming pulmonary aspiration (stomach contents entering the lungs) which is a long term rather than immediate issue.

sure.

You obviously have a level of medical training (I have none), but I was under the impression that Morphine Sulphate is simply not "heroin" (as such)

I have indeed seen Junkies, (I have occasional contact with a few where I live) (Germany), and been unfortunate enough to see an "overdose" in the Mens toilets in a night club last year.

My experience is that Heroin takes effects in substantually less that a minute!

But, I agree, it was claimed that this was "injected intra muscularly".....