Help! 2 Strokes or 4

[bogan]

nah, if you're fouling plugs your bike is jetted wrong.


a correctly jetted 2 stroke will be able to put around forever without fouling plugs.

- to put this into context, i replace my plug once a year, when i do a top end rebuild. i dont replace it because i need to, i just do it because the electrode is becoming very small / worn out

hmmm, may have to look into that, is it an easy diy job?

[motor_mayhem]

The $60 plugs you speak of are iridium plugs. They are supposed to last longer, some say they do, others prefer standard.

[barty5]

The $60 plugs you speak of are iridium plugs. They are supposed to last longer, some say they do, others prefer standard.

anyone who pays $60 for one of those plugs from a bike shop is a complete cock
I but them from Repco for $18 and they retail for $34 as all other platium and iridium plugs bike shops are just makin out they are super special youll even find a lot a repco branch will have in stock or can get same day or ill sellem to yah for $25

[B0000M]

hmmm, may have to look into that, is it an easy diy job?

yes and no, have a search for jetting threads. reckless is a bit of a 2 stroke jetting guru. a good place to start with jetting is stock or the manual, and its all about reading the plug

[cheese]

anyone who pays $60 for one of those plugs from a bike shop is a complete cock
I but them from Repco for $18 and they retail for $34 as all other platium and iridium plugs bike shops are just makin out they are super special youll even find a lot a repco branch will have in stock or can get same day or ill sellem to yah for $25

When I had my RM, I went to the Suzuki shop and I paid $60 for a spark plug. I had no other contacts to get them cheaper. I also checked with Repco and BNT and they didn't stock the special one that the RM needed.

I got a price for a Iridium one from Honda and it was $50!! Lucky that BNT stock them and I got one for $20.

You forget that people don't all have trade accounts.

[barty5]

When I had my RM, I went to the Suzuki shop and I paid $60 for a spark plug. I had no other contacts to get them cheaper. I also checked with Repco and BNT and they didn't stock the special one that the RM needed.

I got a price for a Iridium one from Honda and it was $50!! Lucky that BNT stock them and I got one for $20.

You forget that people don't all have trade accounts.

it not a case of having a trade account even with out one $34 is still way better than $60 that bikes and people on trade me are charging for them. Im just pointing out how much your getting ripped 350% mark up is a little bit much and if they are getting them from the importer it will be even more cause remember Repco are making on the $17 they charge me.

[Reckless]

yes and no, have a search for jetting threads. reckless is a bit of a 2 stroke jetting guru. a good place to start with jetting is stock or the manual, and its all about reading the plug

Good advice, stock or the manual to start with, jetting you can't do over the net you have to see and feel. But it def shouldn't foul plugs on a trail ride.

Plugs: I just use the cheapo standard ones, good, reliable, I ain't racing and a spark is a spark. Br8es or 9, just use the resistor one BR8 not B8es. As B8 (non resistor) I understand are not good for the ignition. I'm same as B000M my plugs stay in for a year just change them because they start to look shitty. I did have one fail in my sons bike for the first time in years, last time out at thunder, it was an Iridium one too, that I got from somewhere?? His bike wouldn't re-start down by the bog hole, I had to ride back to the truck on mine and get another plug.

Edit: I'd defy anyone to know by riding a bike whether it had a Br or iridium plug in it. The only way to know I reckon is by looking at the plug! LOL!! We used EGV plugs in our karts because we thought they where better/faster! Who knows the engine dyno didn't seem to??

[B0000M]

Im just pointing out how much your getting ripped 350% mark up is a little bit much and if they are getting them from the importer it will be even more cause remember Repco are making on the $17 they charge me.

which just echos again how scummy a lot of people in the bike / automotive industry are.

people who arent in the industry will pay whatever they need to pay, and usually assume their local bike shop isnt fucking them over...

the issue being in the automotive / bike industry is because there are so many variations of a product - eg spark plugs- simple part, but 1000s of variations at all different prices, nobody knows what 'normal retail price' should be for a 'spark plug' and will believe anything their dealer who you assume know what theyre talking about will tell you - take cheese's example with the rm, he went to suzuki, they told him it needs a special spark plug - who is cheese to argue? so he parted with $60 for it.

unfortunately there are a whole lot of cheese's out there and not everyone in the undustry is as happy as you are barty to release info on the cost prices and markup of their products.

i totally agree that resellers are within their rights to make a living, at the same time they need to not just blatantly fuck over their customers.

[barty5]

unfortunately there are a whole lot of cheese's out there

shit hope your joking lol

[vr4king]

Hahahaha when i had my cr fouling plugs i was buying that many of the br8es's they were selling them to me for just over 2 bucks a plug.......Id buy a box at a time

I still have a few left over and even an iriduim one as i was to scared to put it in for what they are worth just to foul it,Turns out all i needed to do was lift the clip on the neddle 2 spots never fouled a plug again

I still carry the plugs(even though they will never fit the crf)and ring spanner with me on trail rides as you never know when a smoker will need one and i can say i have saved a few poor souls from pushing there bikes home for the sake of a $5 plug one guy even paid me for one good on him lol............I just love it when you say why yes i do have a plug and spanner now that you ask and there face lights up like a xmas tree

Good times bring on summer

[cheese]

which just echos again how scummy a lot of people in the bike / automotive industry are.

people who arent in the industry will pay whatever they need to pay, and usually assume their local bike shop isnt fucking them over...

the issue being in the automotive / bike industry is because there are so many variations of a product - eg spark plugs- simple part, but 1000s of variations at all different prices, nobody knows what 'normal retail price' should be for a 'spark plug' and will believe anything their dealer who you assume know what theyre talking about will tell you - take cheese's example with the rm, he went to suzuki, they told him it needs a special spark plug - who is cheese to argue? so he parted with $60 for it.

unfortunately there are a whole lot of cheese's out there and not everyone in the undustry is as happy as you are barty to release info on the cost prices and markup of their products.

i totally agree that resellers are within their rights to make a living, at the same time they need to not just blatantly fuck over their customers.

I guess some places prefer to make a stupid mark up instead of return customers. I went to suzuki, they were the experts, I took their advice. They made a song and a dance about it being a special plug.

Anyway, that is why I don't ride a Suzuki anymore.

Anyway I think that we've been over this 500000000 times already.

Electric bikes will come out in 5 years and take over the world anyway. Then we will be debating lithium batteries versus NiMh batteries. LOL

[kezzafish]

Electric bikes will come out in 5 years and take over the world anyway. Then we will be debating lithium batteries versus NiMh batteries. LOL

Awesome, can't wait

[little.whittle]

If you mix half race gas and half 95 or 98 you shouldnt have any problems then

[B0000M]

If you mix half race gas and half 95 or 98 you shouldnt have any problems then

is there any fact or science behind this old wives tale? you hear it all the time

[IIIRII]

Some people think 2 strokes dont like leaded fuel, therefore they assume by adding 50/50 avi to leaded 98 it will lesson the chance of fowling presumably.

If the bike is jetted right and runs the right heat range plug, i doubt it will make a blind bit of difference.

Like it or not 2 strokes always have oil in the fuel and therefore always in the combusion chamber.

If its jetted for doing the land speed record and you ride it on a trials day , dont be supprised if it fowls a plug etc: ....

And , hybrid fuels for average people are just another thing to complicate riding, when it really isnt rocket science.

Avi also is a lot more likely to cause damamge to aluminium and fuel lines as it is a lot more agressive than leaded fuel.

And if all you want to do is raise octaine you are better off using tolulene (but again why make it hard)