Bears 11/10/09

[marsheng]

I understand that the buckets will be running the Tri Oval this meeting. The argument is we are too slow and there is not enough time. I'm 6 seconds slower on my bucket than my SR500 Pre 82. 6 seconds x 6 laps 36 seconds. So at the end of the day we save 2-3 minutes including practice. Get real.

The Tri Oval is horrible, I've paid full entry fees and only get about 15 minutes of bucket racing.

You can count me out if this persists. Cheers Wallace.

[Bren_chch]

Yeah, its bullshit.

Some of the guys on the buckets are doing 2min and below lap times so if its 4 laps of racing as MCI run then its all over in 8mins hardly to slow!

[phoenixgtr]

So are the buckets on the tri-oval while everyone else gets the full track? What a crock of shit!! I'm not going to bother then...on second thoughts, who do we need to complain to about this and will it make any difference?

[Bren_chch]

If you are a bucket club member then you should contact the BMRC president and make it formal. Even though the bucket class is an invited class we do cover a large number of entries and should be given an opportunity to put across our side.

Like I said its around 8mins to complete 4 full laps on a bucket so there reason for not allowing the full circuit use is total rubbish. Yet again this comes down to how they view the class.

http://www.bmrc.co.nz/Contact%20Us/Contacts.php

http://bearsracing.co.nz/public/default.php?page=3

[Buddha#81:Me]

one of the reasons why I'm now no longer a member of BEARs and don't do the winter series (amongst other very good reasons)....... Better value for money elsewhere and you are not treated like a second class citizen...... Bathurst same day, its a no brainer for me!

[Bren_chch]

ok, i just had a 10min call with the bears president, he was friendly and polite.

I introduced myself and asked why the buckets can not run the full circuit.

These are EXACT QOUTES:

"the committee decided on not running the full track because of time factors, they did the calculations and it was just going to take too long."

I asked for the calculations but he didn't have them to hand and couldn't remember them.


I then explain that the faster bikes can do 2min and below and they would be across the finish line in around 8mins.

"the slower buckets would only get 2 laps before being lapped by the faster bikes and it will take to long".

Getting lapped happens in most classes. I think maybe 1 or 2 buckets would get more like 3.5 laps before being lapped.

"still, alot of guys take to long to get around the full track and if the faster ones get around in 8mins for 4 laps then the slower guys will only get under 3 laps and they wont be happy with that"

"in any case i asked the committee about which track shall we give the buckets at round 5 and it was the committees decision to run the tri-oval and we have have spoken to the bucket guys off and on the committee and they don't have a problem with how we run things"

I then explained that in most classes people get lapped, i gave the example of Neil B who on the full track will lap some of the slower pre82 bikes, but he didn't think that was relevant.

He suggested that a formal letter is made to the Bucket Club and then forwarded on to the bears committee for the 21st of this month.

I suggested to the president that the truth is something else and that the time factor is not part of the problem, its actually something else.

"the buckets are invited as a support class, they are offered 2 rounds and they turn up under those rules and conditions, running the buckets around the full track is a time factor, and its something we don't have."

I again queried these time factors and gave some more examples but we started to go around in circles.

So if your serious write a letter to the BMRC

[Bren_chch]

OOPS forgot:

I suggested that some people already... and there maybe more in the future that choose not to come to bears meets because they feel buckets are not taken seriously and are ignored when they wish to get a point across.

Why don't we fix this now and make it better for next year.

"thats their choice".

the end.

[phoenixgtr]

Thanks for that Bren.

Personally I'm just a bit miffed cause I wanted one last practice before Greymouth. I can practice going round in circles in a car park.

Perhaps we do need to complain as a group though, although I do realise theres been murmurs of leaving BEARS next year to go with a club that treats us like equals. In the end this is the last BEARS round this season.

[Bren_chch]

Thats not quite right. From what I understand there is no talk of leaving bears. So best we get the president to explain the association with CAMS before we all get the wrong idea.

Well why pay $40.00 to go around the tri-oval 12 times??

Its not to bad if you have another class to race in using the full track, but crazy if you only ride a bucket.

[Buddha#81:Me]

Woooo, I can see some more people voting with there feet and not doing this round, OR any more. Motorcycling Cant has gone out of their way to give us our own class and listen to any relevent points we raise. We get a fair go with a very pofessionally run meet, ie, lap times, full days racing, good catering, on the day results, training class for beginners all for a few $'s more.

Why support a club who treat you like shit but is happy taking your money to run a meeting you are not allowed to race at?

Brent Cotton

[TonyB]

Part of the problem may be that some long standing bucket racers prefer the Tri-oval, and the decision they made some time ago suits the BeARS club

[Bren_chch]

Why support a club who treat you like shit but is happy taking your money to run a meeting you are not allowed to race at?

Brent Cotton

u are allowed to race, just not on the full track! u have to use the baby track.

[Bren_chch]

Part of the problem may be that some long standing bucket racers prefer the Tri-oval, and the decision they made some time ago suits the BeARS club

u are OH so SPOT on!

[Buddha#81:Me]

u are allowed to race, just not on the full track! u have to use the baby track.

Sorry, I should have explained myself better......

The winter series is a cash cow for the Sound Of Thunder, which Buckets will never be allowed to run at, which is understandable but........

[Muzzab]

Hmmmm....might just try and enter the 1980 RX125 in the pre 82 Class for the day. Might have to anyway if no other bucketeers turn up!! Long way to come to race myself
Cheers Muzza