Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

**Choco** · 14th October 2009, 14:58

I'm a student. If this goes through, i'm fucked.

Bye-bye biking.
So, whens the protest ride?

**grbaker** · 14th October 2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by Maki

Yea, lets just have our own quiet little protest and make sure we don't piss anyone off. I suggest a group ride through Eketahuna at midnight or so, when no one will notice.

Get real. If you want to get somewhere you have to PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Not Labour weekend..... Rush hour on a Business Day. You got to F someone off to make a point

**Danae** · 14th October 2009, 15:00

Originally Posted by grbaker

Not Labour weekend..... Rush hour on a Business Day. You got to F someone off to make a point

I'm hoping most people will be able to get off work for such a worthy cause

**ready4whatever** · 14th October 2009, 15:02

Originally Posted by Maki

The answer is for hundreds of bikes to block rush hour traffic EVERY day until this madness is reversed.

Someone fly a plane into the bee hive. or park a truck outside of it full of explosives. I saw this thing off CI how this dude sent pipe bombs through the mail to government leaders which blew their face off pretty much, he got caught 20 years later only because his brother dobbed him in. I'm pissed

**Gubb** · 14th October 2009, 15:03

Look how the Truckers did it. They let people know in advance, did it peacefully. Many people got in behind and supported them for it.

Pissing off the randoms in the streets won't help our cause, if anything, it will make it worse. We need to get the "general" public on our side and not all hating us for clogging up the streets while they try to get to their holiday destination for a much needed break.

**Str8 Jacket** · 14th October 2009, 15:04

Originally Posted by Thani-B

Get rid of ACC covering motorcyclists. Make medical insurance compulsory for riders. To what level of cover is your own choice.

Ha, yeah well some of us cant get medical insurance cause we "got really sick once".

I have to say, I am being slightly hypocritical as I am definately one of the riders who helped to contribute to the hike in costs but did anyone not see this coming when National were voted into power???

**mossy1200** · 14th October 2009, 15:04

Ill take a day off and cruise at 10 clicks all day long through Wellington.Pick a fine day please.
Whats worse is when people dont pay the rego they will have to lift it again so the people that do will get have it increased again.

**ckai** · 14th October 2009, 15:06

You can't just protest by pissing off the cagers. That'll get you no where and the cagers will just say "they deserve everything they get". You gotta get everyone else on your side as well. Like the truckies did. Everyone knew what they were doing and why they were doing it and they had public support.

This is how you get politicians on your side as well. Because it's votes for them.

Originally Posted by vifferman

I must be broken - I don't feel anything much about it at all. Perhaps a tad annoyed. Not really enough emotion to goad me into action.

Maybe (perhaps) [however] {although} we're looking at it all wrong? We're costing us HEAPS for bike crash injuries, and someone has to pay for it. Aren't WE someone? And aren't WE the someones involved? Shouldn't we pay for ourselves?

Agree, that bikers should pay for the crashes they have and it makes sense. What I don't go for is such a massive increase. I'd be happy (for lack of a better term) to pay say $500. I'm such a nana rider compared to others I ride with that lumping me in the same category as "people that crash often" pisses me off.

Yes, my chances for a crash are no less likely compared to the speedsters and it would be near-on-impossible to do it any other way but it's such a fucken big increase it seems absurd.

I have a 675, the wife has a GSX650F and yet we're both paying the same because we're considered the "crashers". Based on bikes, I'm more likely to bin compared to her. But it's still bollucks.

This is why I say let's go to a user pay's system. You have you're own accident insurance, you don't pay ACC (or it's heavily subsidised). At least you will get rewarded for not crashing and needing it by lower premiums each year. I'm more than happy to pay an insurance company a reasonable premium.

This way I get branded a hoon every year and pay even when I don't crash.

Yes someone has to pay. But it should also be fair and reasonable.

**wingnutt** · 14th October 2009, 15:06

guys these are just maniac proposals from the dicks heading acc the govt is looking to half these propasals, hopefully but I agree, if they go up that much Ill send a bloody cheque for the licence fee less acc levy its totally out of whack.

cheers BOb

**MSTRS:Me** · 14th October 2009, 15:06

Have to take the protest to the streets.
Can't get into the so-called 'submission/consultation' section of ACC.
If they get away with this, it'll be open slather on all other forms of ACC...whilst they grant themselves huge bonuses.
I might also be tempting the devil, but I aint had a vehicular accident for over 35 years. Where's my NCB??

**cheshirecat** · 14th October 2009, 15:10

Then there is the knock effect to the motorcycle industry -
resultant unemployement costs, etc.
There was mention in the article of no claims. Couldn't find when this incredibly well thought out plan is comming into effect

**Dodger** · 14th October 2009, 15:10

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

but did anyone not see this coming when National were voted into power???

I was more hoping that National was going to ditch ACC and privatise the whole system.

**Jizah** · 14th October 2009, 15:11

Originally Posted by wingnutt

guys these are just maniac proposals from the dicks heading acc the govt is looking to half these propasals, hopefully but I agree, if they go up that much Ill send a bloody cheque for the licence fee less acc levy its totally out of whack.

cheers BOb

That's the plan. Threaten a huge increase, then offer to half it. Then everyone thinks they're getting a great deal!

**Waxxa** · 14th October 2009, 15:14

this will also be detrimental to motorcycle shops and their employees if these proposals go ahead...this increase is unjustifiable.

Bikes have less weight, less congestion, less emissions...how can this increase be reasonable. What constitutes a 'big' bike? 601cc...pfffttt.

If a protest is to go ahead KBers we will need to have passion like the French people and protest hard!