Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[dman]

sucks the increase is so big for a 250cc (or even a mere 150cc)

why cut it off at 125cc? surely it would have made simple sense to have matched it up with the learner licence max of 250cc

[Winston001]

Just have to join in -

THE BASTARDS

even if my wife who is currently looking after me recovering from an accident seems to think its fair enough........Hrrumph!!

[grusomhat]

Over the price of three no-rego tickets, you do the maths, get caught three or less times? - you are ahead!.

" how lucky do you feel, punk?"

How often do plates get randomly checked for stuff when cops are sitting behind them?

ie, will I get caught randomly, or would it mostly be if you get pulled over?

[Voltaire]

Im looking aty Aussie now

Fuck this shithole, fuckin National Govt, fuck everyone that voted National

When I lived in Sydney 20 years ago I'm sure my Ducati was $350.00 rego and compulsory third party...and the Kombi was $400.00...on $14.00 an hour that was a lot.

[Bonez]

Fuck this, let's start a riot. I bet if a whole lot of gang members cruised the streets on their Harleys and wore their patches intimidating the public in protest, that will get the governments attention more than a few people doing wheelies on sports bikes.

Only if they wear tassles.

[nighthawk]

$745

That's fucking insane.

Im with you,its just another case of lets pick on the small guy and hope he's gonna role over ...... like HELL

[zeocen]

The whole capacity thing just grinds my gears, what about the cruiser scene? Some of them those capacities just to move! It's not always about speed :/

[scumdog]

How often do plates get randomly checked for stuff when cops are sitting behind them?

ie, will I get caught randomly, or would it mostly be if you get pulled over?

The cops would probably do more checks at random from now on, so anytime...

[glanvillejon]

I would just not register my bike however, no rego or warrant, NO INSURANCE. Fucking wankers they can suck my fucking balls, im so fucking angry with those bastards. Dr Smith if you see a motorcyclist coming your way I would walk the other way or you will get pissed on! Any ideas how we can ENCOURAGE them to re think?? I heard an idea of getting every bike in the country to ride to Wellington early, take up every car park in the city - as we are entitled - and make life just a wee bit harder for them.

What about the wankers that pull out in front of us?? or the stupid fucking campers that think they can drive on the wrong side of the road?? Of course if a camper hits a bike it is going to be expensive to rehablitate, thats if the biker is not dead.

Excuse the french, I'm just angry, as will most of the rest of you! I don't give a shit how they justify it with their statistics, its bull shit.

[Maha]

Yea, lets just have our own quiet little protest and make sure we don't piss anyone off. I suggest a group ride through Eketahuna at midnight or so, when no one will notice.

Get real. If you want to get somewhere you have to PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Loan voice of dissagreement...
I have been on a number of protest rides and its never about pissing people off.....ever.
Its about getting the message across, the days of classroom sit-ins has long gone, we are adults aren't we?

Car owners (yes I am one also) are effected, motorbikes are insanely effected. I am up for about $1300+ per year (just with bikes) when all this kicks in and Im surely pissed off about that fact.

Who said anything about being quiet? did you not read what I said?
1000-1200 bikes will make alot of noise without pissing anyone off.

[Pixie]

So. I gather that people are a tad peeved by the proposal.

But, if it be true that bikes are costing so much, how is it unfair for ACC to charge us that much?

If we can't provide some answers to that question, we won't get far.

So, who has any ideas on why we shouldn't pay what they claim we owe?

There are a few possibilities

1. I personally have never been convinced that off road injuries don't end up included in the claims attributed against the licence levy. Off road should of course be regarded as a sport , like rugby.

2. read this bit carefully


What this means (I think) is important to motorcyclists. Prior to 1999, ACC operated on a pay as you go basis. Money was collected every year to pay the cliams costs for that year. In 199 they changed to fully funded. That means a huge pile of money is being set aside each year , so that if you are injured now, there is enough money put into an account immediately to pay all the costs your injury is likely to accrue, for the rest of your life.

The problem with this, is that in 1999 there were a lot of people (all sorts, not just motorcyclists) , who had been injured BEFORE 1999. But no money had been set aside to pay for the future cost of those injuries. (the "residual claims" )

So, each year the ACC collect some money from each levy payer to add to the pool, to retrospectively fund those old injuries. They were previously going to try to have all the old claims funded by 2012, Now the government has moved that to 2019. So the amount they need to collect each year is less.

For car drivers, it's no big deal. there are a lot more car drivers and cars now than in , say, 1985. So it's not a big sum.

But for bikes, the picture is different. In the 80s and early 90s there were a HELL of a lot more bikes on the road than now. And, a lot more injuries and deaths. A lot of which are still being paid for. But, there are a lot fewer bikes now than then. So the amount per bike is much higher

What the quote above says , I think, is that the government has said that ACC can take till 2019 to fully fund the 'tail'. But ACC are NOT including that in their calculations . If they did, the OVERALL reduction would be $100 per vehicle . But, for bikes , much more. Of course, that means that NETX year , they'll collect far more than they need.

3. The employee account has a fixed cap on the earners levy. You can't be levied more than a certain sum (about $1000 I think). This is because the payout on ERC is also capped. But there is no cap on vehicle levies. Even though your ERC will be capped. A good argument could be made that the TOTAl payable by any individual should be capped . Only helps those with multiple vehicles of course.

4. A good argument can be made on an equitable basis that ACC ought not to introduce a change of such magbnitude in one hit. The extra payable per year will be many thousands of dollars for some people. Bringing that in in one hit could be argued to be unfair

Give me some more people. We need ammunition.

How about:If the levy rises that much we won't register our bikes.ACC gets nothing.
Sorry,I forgot,we are kiwis,with the bending over and spreading thing etc.

[Katman]

Katman, whilst my brain agrees with me, for once my fingers just can't help but type

FUCK OFF

There's a time and a place and this has all wound us up enough.

Perhaps you should pull your head out of your fucking arse.

I said it about the cheesecutter campaign and the same applies here - until motorcyclists are seen to be accepting of the fact that we have created a lot of the woes that befall us there is no hope of us getting any process reversed.

[chrispy121]

so this is where this goes wrong
does any one have the stats on how many scooters are involved in Accidents vs learners on 250 and below then big bikes?

this would be interesting as most scooter riders dont wear proper gear and therefore have more injuries.

if there are more accidents on scooters and claims they should pay more and even this out

Victoria in Australia is investigating changes in their acc the lees gear you wear the less they pay that makes sense to me.

[ZephyrMark2]

Just a thought..

But what if motorcyclists, en masse, refuse to pay it?

I suppose the obvious is that they wouldn't cover any motorcycle accidents.. but 'power in the people' man!

The french govt tried to ban smoking in pubs, in france (go figure), the people ignored the legislation.. eventually the govt had to accept that the legislation wasn't going to work.

Zephyr

[Bangbug]

If we want groups to "pay their own way" then scrap it all together and PAY YOUR OWN WAY? Or does my logic not follow theirs?
TAX FAT PEOPLE, they're eating up health dollars.
TAX cigarettes and ALCOHOL they are FAR in the red when it comes to "PAY YOUR OWN WAY"
My PRIVATE insurance excess is less than a motorcycle rego.
How much will they be in deficit if we ALL BOYCOT regos?