Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[hayd3n]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/n...acc/index.html

[Pedrostt500]

could anyone tell me what a fucking moped is?
Isn't that something with pedals AND a motor?
I expect arsehole and elbow are interchangeable names on govt websites

A Moped is less than 50cc, less than 2 hp out put, top speed of 60kmph though that may be a top speed of 50kmph, if a moped is over 50cc, or greater than 2 hp, or can go faster than the top alowable speed for a moped then it is classed as a motor bike.

[hayd3n]

Isn't Target on a different day ?

fine take it there too

[Wiki Drifter]

A Moped is less than 50cc, less than 2 hp out put, top speed of 60kmph though that may be a top speed of 50kmph, if a moped is over 50cc, or greater than 2 hp, or can go faster than the top alowable speed for a moped then it is classed as a motor bike.

I've seen a bike shop selling a DF200 (200cc) registered as a moped, wonder how they got around the rules...

[jafar]

I've seen a bike shop selling a DF200 (200cc) registered as a moped, wonder how they got around the rules...

They havn't got around anything they just misrepresented it. If they are that dodgy to do that then I would do my shopping elsewere

[RAC]

I have registered my .....disappointment.... with my local MP, ACC minister etc. this may have been covered, but im buggered if im reading thru 50 odd pages of "fuck you" to find it......
is someone out there able to put together a well written letter to cut and paste into submissions in order to have solid factual argument to prevent it just being turfed due to it being not factual/abusive/war story based etc submissions?
If its in bureaucrat speak and is backed by actual facts (not assumed "facts") then it will be much harder to dismiss.

[cs363]

They havn't got around anything they just misrepresented it. If they are that dodgy to do that then I would do my shopping elsewere

+ 1 on that!

[Pie]

fuck sake, I'm on a casual contract which ACC is reducing coverage for. So now I get to throw $500 dollars away every year for nothing.

[Farab]

We are already bloody taxed to death in this country, we are all struggling, including the bike industry, that's all we need another freak'n "tax", because that's exactly what it is.

Anyway, this has gone too far. Sorry I havn't read all 40-odd pages, is there anything being organised? I would gladly put my hand up, although Oct/Nov is going to be very busy for me (out of country).

Just a few random thoughts:

- All these accident stats, I would like to see a breakdown involving scooter riders - people that use 2 wheels as transport only with no passion for the pastime. I see scooter riders zipping around with f-all gear on except the minimum required helmet (especially in summer). I would suggest that most bikers wear proper gear, etc. Also as you may know, 50cc requires no bike license, so no training period if you will.

- I would suggest that bigger bikes are actually safer. Better weight for stability, generally better brakes, suspension and power to get you out of a dangerous situation.

- Were the hell is the incentive for using more environmentally friendly transport? This government is so hell bent on signing up for everything "environment", so if its so committed, where's the incentive for using 2 wheels?

- If they are so worried about our safety, way the hell don't they fix up the bloody roads? Typical - park the bloody ambulance at the bottom of the cliff type mentality. I have been "around the block" a few times, and NZ roads in general are by far the worst, IMO, that I have come across for Western standards. Heck, just take a ride on the Coatsville Riverhead Highway to see what I mean. Zero or negative cambers, patchwork tarmac like a freak'n quilt, uneven road surface, tarsnakes, etc, etc., little to no shoulder. Just look at the manner in which the likes of Scenic Drive (Henderson) was resurfaced a few months ago - to the untrained eye its seems they just chucked down some bitumen and sprinkled with a loose layer of metal/stones!

- Wire rope barriers - need I say more?

- Every time I'm in the dairy flats, seems another road has been downgraded to 80km/h, whats up with that? (had to throw that one in!)

- The rider should be registered/taxed - you can only ride one bike at a time!

- One of the posts I read here, seemed to hint (if I understood it correctly - if not, apologies) that smaller bikes aren't the real problem, should pay much less, older returning bikers are the problem, etc., now is not a good time to apply "each man for himself" mentality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

How about forming some sort of a committee to fight this effectively? I'm in with as much as I can spare (lots of stuff going down, trips, exams, etc.)
Anyway, just a few random thoughts. Will watch and join in as and when I'm able.

[cs363]

I have registered my .....disappointment.... with my local MP, ACC minister etc. this may have been covered, but im buggered if im reading thru 50 odd pages of "fuck you" to find it......
is someone out there able to put together a well written letter to cut and paste into submissions in order to have solid factual argument to prevent it just being turfed due to it being not factual/abusive/war story based etc submissions?
If its in bureaucrat speak and is backed by actual facts (not assumed "facts") then it will be much harder to dismiss.

Unfortunately 'form' letters aren't the go as they lump all simlarly worded letters together and they only count as one submission.
Just say what you feel with no abusive or swear words and make sure you include you name, address and phone number to make it count.

[Slyer]

[craisin]

I suspect pushbikes are more dangerous than motorbikes.
Point being there is no annual tax on pushbikes

[Brian d marge]

Haven't had time to read all through this thread so apologies if brought up before but

two things:

Firstly - Is everyone forgetting that this is a catch up of a black hole covered up by labour. Petitioning national about it will do didly squat. ACC got f@cked under labour governance - any private company would not have been allowed to get this far into the red. The situation of the black hole still stands whether NZ likes it or not.

Secondly - doesn't the amount of crashes point out that the testing guidelines are too weak. I don't think it is limited to bikers but if a car crashes they are comparatively well protected from harm - if a bike crashes then ACC is more likely to be called upon. Get the bloody easy testing certs fixed and you will make a good headway into this not happening again in the next couple of decades.

Me: I'm on my restricted and doing all the courses I can. I'm a middle aged rider new to the game. But basic handling and restricted are a piece of piss. It all seems a bit too easy to me.
I took an optional advanced riding course a couple of months back which helped my riding no end. but this doesn't help me with my licensing - no a classroom course on hazard detection (rather than how to be a competent rider) just halved my time to get my full! Daft or what - both have their advantages but one without the other is pointless. If riders fall off on corners (with no one else about) they only have themselves to blame.

In simple terms it seems that you can get an NZ license from your favourite cereal packet.

We know that

but actually labour reversed the decisions made by the national government who WILL privatize Acc

as far back as 2007 john Key said so
quote The opposition National Party has signaled that if it
becomes the government after the 2008 election, it intends
to re-privatise the ACC scheme, thereby re-introducing
private insurance companies into the accident insurance
marketplace.2 This booklet argues for the retention of ACC

“National’s policy
is to re-establish a
as a state-monopoly accident insurance provider.
competitive market
to provide accident
insurance.” (National
Party Leader John Key,
Address to NZ Large
Herds Association
Conference, 21 March
2007


this is what they are doing

I TOLD YOU THIS BACK THEN

you cannot come out of the wood work now and complain when people such as myself and others have been screaming this from the top of the hills for YEARS ( i am not joking ,,,I personally have been so since the eighties

labour are the ONLY party to hold to the original woodhouse principles

and when the ACC scheme was originally set up the committee at the time said

They were acutely aware of the pitfalls of entrusting this
social responsibility to insurance companies:
“...the insurance system itself can offer no central
impetus in the important areas of accident prevention and
rehabilitation.”


Liberalism( neo) has no place in the working mans ideals


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

PPs

Ya didn't do anything about it when it was required , winter has come , the horse has bolted ,,,,

cry me a river....

boo hoo me Acc rego is too expensive ,,, rotten government ( toys out of cot )

but they wont dream off putting a capital gains tax on my nest egg ,,,,,,they would never do that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




Stephen

[Brian d marge]

PPPPS

if I hear of any one acting like a dick and crashing ,,, through shear stupidity or weekend rossiness

My ACC bill will be forwarded for their immediate payment

Kind regards ,,,

Stephen

oh and its an Enfield... up from 100 to a staggering 136 dollars

so be careful