Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Bald Eagle]

Heres a suggestion for all you.

All the regular ride events around all the regions become protest rides to parliament / MP's offices / through main roads.

All multi bike traffic holds up every weekly recurrence until further notice.

[ukusa]

Private insurance cover? It would be interesting to see what the commercial insurers would set the premium at to cover the risk. My guess is a lot less than the ACC calculation.

Interesting.... ACC tax will be more than most bike insurances

[tomobedlam]

Private insurance cover? It would be interesting to see what the commercial insurers would set the premium at to cover the risk. My guess is a lot less than the ACC calculation.

Something tells me that might be the point. Wouldn't that motivate us toward privatisation

[glanvillejon]

Well, here's an interesting figure.

Acc claim


But, from here
(official and authorative source ) , total motorcycle casualties for 2008 were 1396 injured and 50 killed. Total 1446. Now unless my calculator has sprung a leak, that works out at $42876 average. For EVERY motorcycle crash. Including the minor ones, where the riders just given some sticking plaster and sent on his way.

Not at all sure that I believe that figure, in thes ense that it is probably true BUT massively inflated by a BIG contribution toward historical residual claims. Which the government have now said they can take till 2019, instead of 2012 , to fund. But ACC are ignoring the difference that extension would make to the levy. It works out at $100 less for ALL vehicles, but would be MUCh higher for bikes.

Every time someone is transported in an ambulance and it is ACC related, ACC pays the ambulance service $700 fuckin bucks for that 5 minute ride to hospital. That is one of the reasons the cost is so bloody high.

[Dafe]

Yep, There's heaps of New Zealanders that milk the ACC system because it's there for the taking. ACC are so heavily staffed for what they do. The entire ACC system has failed and it's times like this, somebody lucks out. Unfortunately, It isn't the ACC management. Looks like the Govt are doing some high level negotiations with their mates at ACC.

I'm keen to attend each and every protest at parliament.

How about doing a motorcycle ride and camp out on Parliament grounds, every few months for the entire weekend?

I feel really bad for the bike shops and the workers/owners there.

[rosie631]

Private insurance cover? It would be interesting to see what the commercial insurers would set the premium at to cover the risk. My guess is a lot less than the ACC calculation.

Yep, I reckon. Either it's a no fault system and we all pay the same. OR it's user pays and it's privatised. Then if all the shit heads that play rugby, mountain bike etc etc want to be covered for those pastimes they have to declare them and pay accordingly. As it stands motorcyclists are the only high risk minorities being targeted and everyone else gets off scott free.
WHAT A CROCK OF FUCKING BULLSHIT

[ZephyrMark2]

What about the 290 odd people working for ACC that earn over $100k per year???

Wonder how many of those have a bike?

[DMNTD:Me]

So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?

Or get out and protest?

Exactly...more than willing to utilise work's database to spread the word of a well organised protest will full support of management.

Personally I'd like to see all cities brought to a stop...the truckies did well from memory

[Mikkel]

Well, here's an interesting figure.

Acc claim


But, from here
(official and authorative source ) , total motorcycle casualties for 2008 were 1396 injured and 50 killed. Total 1446. Now unless my calculator has sprung a leak, that works out at $42876 average. For EVERY motorcycle crash. Including the minor ones, where the riders just given some sticking plaster and sent on his way.

Not at all sure that I believe that figure, in thes ense that it is probably true BUT massively inflated by a BIG contribution toward historical residual claims. Which the government have now said they can take till 2019, instead of 2012 , to fund. But ACC are ignoring the difference that extension would make to the levy. It works out at $100 less for ALL vehicles, but would be MUCh higher for bikes.

Indeed, I am very suspicious of the statistics used here. Just to give an example from this data: in 2008 8699 car drivers were and 3470 passengers were killed or injured. Compare that with 1362 motorcycle riders and 84 motorcycle pillions for the same period. What I am getting at is that the ACC cost for putting a driver back together is no higher than for a passenger, yet the passenger segment is relatively much higher for cars than motorcycles - which hardly is a surprise.

Then we can consider, from the same data, the fraction of killed versus injured for a given category:
Car driver: 163/8536 = 1.9%
Car passenger: 105/3365 = 3.1%
Motorcycle rider: 48/1314 = 3.7%
Motorcycle pillion: 2/82 = 2.4%

I hope we can agree that there will be no long-term expenses associated with those killed in an accident, which is what I am brought to understand is one of those things causing the current shortfall. So considering that motorcycle riders are about twice as likely to be killed in an accident and thus half as likely to be costing ACC a lot of money down the road actually suggests that our levy should be relatively lower than for cars.

I wonder if such considerations have been included in the currently proposed ACC levy increases.

[de_wood_elf]

I'm keen for any protest ride that gets organized. We gotta fight this bull, we can't just sit back and let them screw us over, we bloody voted them in.

[Bangbug]

No disrespect to our Brown, Yellow, Black, Green, Red and Orange Rider brothers and sisters, but do any of you get the feeling that they think they can get away with this because it's mostly WHITE DUDES who ride bikes?
The ONLY ethnic/gender group you can discriminate against these days?
We "can't" scream "discrimination" because we're mostly white dudes.
We ARE the devil. We discriminate, not the other way around right?
Ahhh fuck, that's just a whole other bucket of worms. hahahahha

[Bounce001]

DIRTY THIEVING MONGREL BASTARDS

[phred]

Here's the link to make a submission
http://www.acc.co.nz/for-business/le...tion/index.htm

[Danae]

I haven't been to a bike rally yet, can we have one on the Parliament lawn? Have a bon fire, do some stunts, wet t shirt comp, etc etc and every 10 mins we all start up our bikes and rev the snot out if them and then go back to our fire and beers. Have tent, will travel and camp. It'll be fun!!!

How about doing a motorcycle ride and camp out on Parliament grounds, every few months for the entire weekend?

I say we do this. We aren't pissing off other road users (we need em on our side) and a whole bunch of bikers camped out will bring the attention of the media and especially parliament. I also like the idea of starting up the bikes every now and then XD

[hospitalfood]

call your local mp in protest, do it now, leave a message if you cannot get through !

do it !!!!!