ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

[James Deuce]

I think the most effective protest would be mass refusal to register our bikes.
It wouldn't piss off Joe Public.
It worked in France,but I guess they are made of sterner stuff.

That's my take too.

I think unlike most Kiwi protests that are all show, no go, the not paying rego needs to be the actual active political protest. The ride is a raising awarenes gambit. Not paying rego forces the issue.

[kunoichi]

i think most of us will be doing that anyways. The whole point of fines is that it will cost u more to get a fine, than it is to actually do what ever it was needed to avoid the infringement. In this case, it's cheaper to get fined twice a year (200 per ticket) for an unregistered bike, than it is to register our bikes for a year.
Plus there is always the option of scanning the rego, changing the date and stickign it back on the bike, doubt the cops would be pulling out the rego to check if it's genuine if just go through a check point, might b a different issue if u got pulled over for speeding though...

[James Deuce]

You'll never get "most" Kiwis to perform an act of mass disobedience. They're too spineless.

It's not a given that people won't pay their rego. The concept needs more thought and needs to be delivered convincingly.

We also need to do this for the right reasons.

It's not the price hike.

It's the principle of motorcyclists being excluded from a no fault Accident Compensation scheme.

[buellbabe]

Personally, NOT paying the rego as an act of defiance is a complete no go area for me because if my bike ain't registered then its not 'road legal' and that makes my insurance void...

I will protest in other ways but that one just doesn't work for me.

Bugger!

[Morcs]

My rego is on hold, and im riding around.

So ive started, come on you guys!

Just make sure you obey the law so you dont get pulled over eh.

[scissorhands]

You'll never get "most" Kiwis to perform an act of mass disobedience. They're too spineless.

I'm always complaining to council or whatever and used to protest a lot. My dads side used to be french so maybe its in the blood.

One thing that strikes me about state institutions is the level of poor management and ineptness at the lower levels, and the level of speak with forked tongue, public relations conscious, false agenda motivation, by those very highly paid at the top.

Sort of like right hand advisers to a corrupt caesar. These people are not inept at all.

[James Deuce]

Personally, NOT paying the rego as an act of defiance is a complete no go area for me because if my bike ain't registered then its not 'road legal' and that makes my insurance void...

I will protest in other ways but that one just doesn't work for me.

Bugger!

As I said spineless.

[Reckless]

You'll never get "most" Kiwis to perform an act of mass disobedience. They're too spineless.

It's not a given that people won't pay their rego. The concept needs more thought and needs to be delivered convincingly.

We also need to do this for the right reasons.

It's not the price hike.

It's the principle of motorcyclists being excluded from a no fault Accident Compensation scheme.

Start a Rego poll James.
1 bike are you gonna pay-NO!!
1 bike are you gonna pay-YES (stop whinging then)
More than 1 bike are you gonna pay-NO!! (Staunch)
More than one bike register 1 only (1/2 a cop out)
Register the lot ( Biggest cop out)
Rego on hold for 6 months per year

Try and keep it simple though LOL!!!

[Rayray401]

i do wonder though..what the original people who started ACC was thinking in the first place, according to my lecturer at the start it was good, but now apparently they all just shake their heads at how fail it has become because of how bad its been manageed.

[yachtie10]

buellbabe
Personally, NOT paying the rego as an act of defiance is a complete no go area for me because if my bike ain't registered then its not 'road legal' and that makes my insurance void...

I will protest in other ways but that one just doesn't work for me.

Bugger!

Does your policy actually say this?
My understanding is that incorrect (even against the law)
i.e. Insurance companies need a reason to deny the claim and rego running out isnt one of them

It maybe different if you choose not to pay your rego long term (that would be an individual policy issue)


I am happy to not pay my rego as part of a protest and if it becomes an issue i wont pay my insurance either

[Katman]

If it hadn't been past my bedtime already when the meeting finished, I would've taken Katman in tow and started introducing him to people. The reaction is always golden.

That wasn't Katman - I sent my friendly twin brother.

[kunoichi]

managed or not, they no doubtedly were going to meet resistance from all those effected (a growing number of us). It's ridiculous and was never a good idea. If they want to make up for their short fall, yes that is a good idea, doing it this way, to exclude a selection of the population from ACC claims, was definatly the wrong way to go. Goes against the very foundation of justice. If they thought it was a good idea to start with, they are stupider than i thought.

[kunoichi]

Does your policy actually say this?
My understanding is that incorrect (even against the law)
i.e. Insurance companies need a reason to deny the claim and rego running out isnt one of them

It maybe different if you choose not to pay your rego long term (that would be an individual policy issue)


I am happy to not pay my rego as part of a protest and if it becomes an issue i wont pay my insurance either

I reckon it differs from contract to contract. My one says to abide by the restrictions of my license (no riding past 10pm etc), but doesn't say anything about rego. does say WOF tho, that my Wof does need to be continuingly renewed...anybody have something else in their contracts?

[Naki Rat]

You'll never get "most" Kiwis to perform an act of mass disobedience. They're too spineless.

It's not a given that people won't pay their rego. The concept needs more thought and needs to be delivered convincingly.

We also need to do this for the right reasons.

It's not the price hike.

It's the principle of motorcyclists being excluded from a no fault Accident Compensation scheme.

The problems with non-registration of rego as a sole protest is that it is essentially silent and too easily becomes an action by single individuals, who can then be targeted one by one by police, insurance providers and finance companies with little public awareness of the battle that is being fought.

The whole point of the ride on parliament is to raise public awareness of the ACC levy issue and its wider implications on other high injury risk groups. By way of the wording of the catch cry "Who's Next" we are hopefully sowing the seeds of fear and uncertainty in those car owners, cyclists, sports participants and Joe Public in general, that they are likely to be targeted next by the Government/ACC in this cash grab. The idea is as old as:

First they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

Now they are coming for the Palestinians
I am speaking out.

And we need as much help as we can get on this issue

[martybabe]

It's the principle of motorcyclists being excluded from a no fault Accident Compensation scheme.

Exactly, that and being effectively priced off the road are my primary objections here.

Frankly I'm so over all the statistic analysing flying around, but essentially we are a small portion of the overall pie, as far as payouts go. Any number of other categories suck up bigger wedges of the ACC pot, yet I see no other sport/pastime /hobby, being singled out for massive increases due to the likelihood of accident frequency and or expensive after-care.

We are therefore effectively being excluded as you rightly point out, it's not fair, it's not right and it makes little sense to me unless, 1. the ultimate goal is simply to get us off the road, or 2.this is simply the tester, pick on a minority group with little clout then move on to the bigger boys? ACC levies for every Rugby game ? No payouts for DIY, who bloody knows.