ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

[James Deuce]

Asking people to break the law, then calling them spineless or explain themselfs for not wanting to break the law, is really helping unify the biking community NOT !!!.

One thing about Kiwibiker.co.nz that needs to be made very clear is, this is a very public forum with the ability for any media to read. Keep putting crap like this on the forum and we might as well all just pay the $500 extra now, because no one is going to listen to 1000 different voices shouting 1000 different point of views. If there is not 1 or 2 focused approaches and ones that are legal, we will look like a bunch of dipshits who are to stupid to fight for our rights.

If you want to ride around without a rego, then you do so, but DO NOT ASK OTHERS TO DO SO.

If you do not get what I am saying, then I for one will not be at any rally that proves the point that ACC are making. And I would not be the only one not at the rally.

It's not crap.

You guys are reacting to the levy increase, not the crux of the problem which is NZ Motorcyclists are being evicted from the no fault Accident Compensation scheme and not provided with any alternative except "paying their own way" via compulsory contributions to to scheme that wants them to fund their own way.

Every other country with citizens with an understanding of democratic process understand that their primary role in that society is to protect their rights in the face of abuses by Government organisations. The Bikoi will achieve potentially raised awareness, but what seems to have been forgotten is that a large chunk of "middle" NZ knows we deserve to be singled out despite "middle" NZ costing ACC 610 million in claims generated by cooking, bathing, and DIY. The Bikoi will not achieve the desired result of getting motorcyclists included back in the ACC scheme.

The sustained illegal activities of motorcyclists on the Queen's Highway have generated the poor publicity that makes it a goer for the Government to attempt to raise levies beyond the pale in the first instance. Lecturing other motocyclists about not performing illegal activities is a little bit hypocritical to say the leaste.

[Big Dave]

The Press release from last night's meeting:

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com

[Brian d marge]

I sent an email to as many MPs as I could got some interesting replies, the Nats are all towing the party line, however this is the reply from the green Party.
Dear Barbara



I have been asked to respond on behalf of all nine Green Party MPs Metiria Turei, Russel Norman, Jeanette Fitzsimons, Sue Bradford, Sue Kedgley, Keith Locke, Kevin Hague, Catherine Delahunty and Kennedy Graham, to your email below.



The Green Party opposes the proposed levy increase for motorcycles. We consider this levy increase to be contrary to the original principles set out by Sir Owen Woodhouse under which ACC was established. One of those principles was that of "community responsibility". Sir Owen himself, at the age of 93, has spoken out against the approach the Government is taking to ACC, stating that proposals to double and treble levies on heavy motorbikes and mopeds, and to push accident victims back to work on much lower incomes than they earned before their accidents, breach the principles of the scheme he authored as head of the 1967 Royal Commission that recommended the ACC scheme.



The community responsibility principle recognises that the various activities that we undertake in society are all inter-related, and that harm and benefit flow on to others, rather than rest solely with the people undertaking those activities.



In the particular example of motorcycle use, the community responsibility principle recognises that even though a disproportionately high number of motor vehicle injuries involve motorcyclists, a significant proportion of those injuries are actually caused by someone other than the motorcyclist. It also recognises that increased use of motorcycles where practicable has environmental benefits if single driver car usage is consequently reduced, since the greenhouse gas emissions generated by a motorcycles is significantly less than from cars and the fuel used per kilometre of travel is significantly less for a motorcycle than a car. From that perspective, the Green Party would want to encourage motorcycle use as opposed to car use - however, the Government's proposed levy increase for motorcycles does the opposite.



It is Green Party policy to restore the social contract envisioned in Sir Owen Woodhouse's report from which the original ACC scheme was derived, including the community responsibility principle, and we therefore oppose pinch-paring measures such as the Government's proposals that attempt to assess the injury risk of every specific activity undertaken in society and set levies based solely on that risk.



Thank you for the figures you have provided. They affirm the view the Green Party MPs already have that much of the so-called "crisis" in ACC is manufactured by the Government to suit its political agenda.





Kind regards

Ivan Sowry

Issues Assistant to Green Party MPs

Which is what some have been saying for a long time , but some ( Donny Ron, Bobby and Ricky and of course bubbles )

Are so enamored with on laisse faire la nature ,,,they cant see the pain approaching


Stephen

[Mystic13]

Personally, NOT paying the rego as an act of defiance is a complete no go area for me because if my bike ain't registered then its not 'road legal' and that makes my insurance void...

I will protest in other ways but that one just doesn't work for me.

Bugger!

I've already gone down the put rego on hold route.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110727

The deal seems to me to use it as a tool for protesting. The idea is to get the noise heard by the 17th of November.

- I have bikes coming up for renewal at various points throughout the year.

- I have rung in and put all of them on hold from the end of their current period. (So I am still riding a road registered bike in the interim)

- I have advised LTSA verbally and by email that I have put the bikes on hold due to the proposed increase. I should have also asked them to advise the government of the same.

- When bikes come up for renewal I can choose what I do then. it's a case of right now making as much noise a possible. I want LTSA, ACC and the government to know this route won't work. I've put my rego's on hold and you'll not get the money you thought you would so go elsewhere.

- If you have a bike due for renewal now you could renew for 3 months and put it on hold from there with doing the putting on hold notice now and then email them.

I have checked my insurance and intend to comply with it's requirements.

This seems a really good move in terms of making noise and yes it needs numbers. Putting on hold costs nothing, you can remain registered it just says in a big way we're pissed off now leave us alone.

[short-circuit]

Are so enamored with lassie fare politics ,,,they cant see the pain approaching


Stephen

Ignorance, selfishness and a belief that "it won't cost me"

[Eng_dave]

The Press release from last night's meeting:

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com

Cheers Dave managed to get some pics were you the one asking for press information I know a reporter for 20/20 friend of a friend realy if your interested.

[Katman]

I have had three customers so far express their surprise and disappointment that an unsolicited email would be sent to them containing the sentence "The chairman is a grumpy cunt".

I think we should be very careful about what we say and who we say it to.

[TerminalAddict]

I have had three customers so far express their surprise and disappointment that an unsolicited email would be sent to them containing the sentence "The chairman is a grumpy cunt".

I think we should be very careful about what we say and who we say it to.

agree !!! I edited that bit out went I spammed people

[Thani-B]

If it hadn't been past my bedtime already when the meeting finished, I would've taken Katman in tow and started introducing him to people. The reaction is always golden.

Thats a shame. Im actually quite keen to meet some of the people on here.

As I said spineless.

And well Idleidolidyll is fairly pissed off with the results of last nights meeting. A lone voice who got shot down, majority to one. He did make a valid point though. And I do think we need to organise something along those lines.

[Big Dave]

agree !!! I edited that bit out went I spammed people

As we all did. And I have threatened him. They are however empty threats.

EG If I was chairing the meeting it would be like a Gospel revival with tambourines and a bass drum - shambles. Outlawtorn was big on flaming torches.

I might add than Ms Klingon did a job too.


Spread that release around to any contacts team - It's with KR, BRM and MTN already.

Any photos send to Mr Outlawtorn for the BRONZ site

[DidJit]

You guys are reacting to the levy increase, not the crux of the problem which is NZ Motorcyclists are being evicted from the no fault Accident Compensation scheme and not provided with any alternative except "paying their own way" via compulsory contributions to to scheme that wants them to fund their own way.

And well Idleidolidyll is fairly pissed off with the results of last nights meeting. A lone voice who got shot down, majority to one. He did make a valid point though. And I do think we need to organise something along those lines.

I agree. To put it mildly, I am very put out with what this government is trying to do to its employers i.e. us, the people. Today's announcement, while expected, is the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

I do not want to play nice with a government who rides roughshod over its own people.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The Press release from last night's meeting:

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com

it got good coverage this morning on what little of the radio I heard.

[R-Soul]

lets all wear hi vis, make all vehicles cars truck drive round on high beam during the day. Paint all cars hivis yellow or orange just so every one can see every one ???




yes a pt

No mate just us - were the ones getting injured the most remember? Apparently cars have no problem seeing big rigs...

And no, putting a high vis vest on does not make the rider a better rider, butit may make a car see you a fraction of a second sooner, to give you an extra 30 cms to get through....

[R-Soul]

However ...( in David Attenborough voice) the lesser spotted Police Motorcycle in its striking array of blue , red and yellow catches the motorists eye and fear of the flashing blue and red dominates for a few moments until the motorist passes the danger.....

Good Attenborough voice!!

[shrub]

And no, putting a high vis vest on does not make the rider a better rider, butit may make a car see you a fraction of a second sooner, to give you an extra 30 cms to get through....

Actually international research shows that high vis vests have limited benefit. Car drivers don't see us because they're not looking for us.