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[Ragingrob]

We are killing the poll 84% say no

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Just had an email from a friend in the beehive...

"Rumor has it the government is trying to whip up hysteria over ACC to pave the way for it becoming privatised."

Its their way of playing chess using us as the pawns bastards.

The poll is 84% in our favour now.

[Reckless]

This is what you will be up against! Might as well post the other side of the argument.


Angel #404 19 min ago (On Stuff)

NZTA stats show 67% of motorcycle accidents involve another vehicle, and that of those accidents in 62% of them the driver of the other vehicle is at fault. So in 58% of all motorcycle accidents it's the motorcyclist's fault. So howabout they divvy up the costs that way? 58% of $62 million - the motorcyclists still aren't paying their costs.

Hold on??
But it doesn't make sense to her argument? Does IT???
Isn't her 58% assumption Wrong?? don't these figures suit us?
I've read it so many times now I'm screwed LOL!!

[Griffin]

This is what you will be up against! Might as well post the other side of the argument.


Angel #404 19 min ago

NZTA stats show 67% of motorcycle accidents involve another vehicle, and that of those accidents in 62% of them the driver of the other vehicle is at fault. So in 58% of all motorcycle accidents it's the motorcyclist's fault. So howabout they divvy up the costs that way? 58% of $62 million - the motorcyclists still aren't paying their costs.

Tell Angel her maths is crap. 62% of them the other vehicle is at fault - that leaves 38% being the m/cyclists fault. And even if the 38% still meant we werent covering our costs, you dont see the cage drivers getting a 62% hike to help toward it.

I think that the assertion that this whole debacle is to create hate toward ACC thereby allowing the government to 'rescue' us from it by privatising (a National Governmemts hallmark) the insurance system... is EXACTLY whats happening. And we will be the ones to cause it. The Fatc Cats in power will be sitting in the Beehive looking out their window and waiting for the rumble of a hundred thousand motorbikes... and when that happens, they will be rubbing their chubby little hands together.

[MSTRS:Me]

Its close..... Yes is still ahead.

Still think that?

[Sidewinder]

done, this is the 1st acc thread that is good

[Katman]

Tell Angel her maths is crap.

Sorry, but it's your maths that doesn't stack up.

According to the quote above - 67% of motorcycle accidents involve another vehicle. Therefore 33% of motorcycle accidents involve no-one other than the motorcyclist.

Of that 67%, 62% is the fault of the other driver. Therefore 38% of multi vehicle accidents are still the fault of the motorcyclist.

Single vehicle and multi-vehicle percentages need to be combined. 38% of 67 is approx. 25.

25% + 33% = 58%

[slofox]

...allowing the government to 'rescue' us from it by privatising (a National Governmemts hallmark) the insurance system... is EXACTLY whats happening. And we will be the ones to cause it. The Fatc Cats in power will be sitting in the Beehive looking out their window and waiting for the rumble of a hundred thousand motorbikes... and when that happens, they will be rubbing their chubby little hands together.

Well, the National Party is, after all, the party of business interests so we can expect them to act in favour of those interests - as has always been the case. Just as Labour acts in the interests of working people, unions etc etc.

But yes, I too, think this is all about privatization...

[MSTRS:Me]

Sorry, but it's your maths that don't stack up.

According to the quote above - 67% of motorcycle accidents involve another vehicle. Therefore 33% of motorcycle accidents involve no-one other than the motorcyclist.

Of that 67%, 62% is the fault of the other driver. Therefore 38% of multi vehicle accidents are still the fault of the motorcyclist.

Single vehicle and multi-vehicle percentages need to be combined.

True, but she didn't put it that way.
If you want to get pedantic, (bikes being a very small part of the overall single/multi vehicle accidents) close to 100% of motorcar accidents are caused by car drivers.
Flippant, but true.

[Griffin]

Sorry, but it's your maths that don't stack up.

Shit Katman... did you READ my post before adding your drivel?

I stated that 38% were the m/cyclists fault - that was MY point, the quote from Angel stated 58% (100 - 62 does not equal 58) it equals 38... which is what I said.

is that ok with you?

[Griffin]

Sorry, but it's your maths that doesn't stack up.

According to the quote above - 67% of motorcycle accidents involve another vehicle. Therefore 33% of motorcycle accidents involve no-one other than the motorcyclist.

Of that 67%, 62% is the fault of the other driver. Therefore 38% of multi vehicle accidents are still the fault of the motorcyclist.

Single vehicle and multi-vehicle percentages need to be combined. 38% of 67 is approx. 25.

25% + 33% = 58%

Nicely edited - but thats still not the way the original post was presented.

[Katman]

Shit Katman... did you READ my post before adding your drivel?

I stated that 38% were the m/cyclists fault - that was MY point, the quote from Angel stated 58% (100 - 62 does not equal 58) it equals 38... which is what I said.

is that ok with you?

Your maths is wrong - Angel's is correct.

Sorry for being the one to have to break it to you.

And quite frankly, this is a prime example of the fact that, if those who aren't capable of understanding facts and figures run off half-cocked, we stand the very real chance of looking stupid.

[danielle]

Interesting, the vote no is going up by like 100votes per minute

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

A woman is shaken after driving her Mercedes-Benz through a plate glass window in downtown Wellington this morning.
The car smashed through the foyer of the Lumley Building in Hunter St at 8.30.
Several people in the foyer at the time were lucky to escape injury.
Police are currently speaking with the driver.

The ammount of cage induced accidents they cause they should be paying a much higher ACC levy to cover the people the hit (lucky this time no serious injury)

[Reckless]

They way I read it is

33% are bike only and Bikers fault (Sounds right)

67%of bike accidents involve another vehicle and 62% are the other vehicles fault.
Therefore 5% of Bike Vs car are the bikers fault and 62% are the Cars fault? (Sounds right)

Therefore 33% plus 5% =38%

The interesting stat there is the 62% blame the car owner should take in proceedings making their argument of taking no blame and no cost penalty re registration, a bloody nonsense!
The ACC bill injury generated by cars on bikes is always going to cost more because they hurt us much more. So why all the burden on the Biker???