The new scheme is still a bargain, I hope you realise...

[Angusdog]

I agree in practice that motorcycling is currently affordable and the proposed ACC rise makes it only slightly less so. Worldwide, motorcycling will still be relatively cheap and high quality in New Zealand. However, as noted, we are paying several times over for the same thing: health care after an accident. ACC levy on work, petrol tax and licensing. And if you earn more than the average wage, you probably have health and income protection insurance as well. Again, these costs are no different to overseas.

One point to bear in mind: The ACC scheme is brilliant. No fault health care across the board. And like the NHS in the UK, is very expensive and hard to administer fairly. This is a speed bump in an otherwise good thing that NZ invented. National are squeezing budgets left right and centre, bikers are no different and some groups are harder hit than this.

The overriding fact is that people who pursue other activities don't pay ACC (rugby, mountain biking and horse riding are the common targets) and are probably more likely to suffer an injury which keeps them off work. For this reason, I will join any protest action going and be a vocal opponent to this change.

I will keep an eye out for the inevitable protest run to parliament.

[motorbyclist]

I'll address the questioning of my numbers later tonight, but let it be said I end up doing well over 15000km a year, which is about the life of my tyres at 500 a pair

A 1300cc car is WAY cheaper than a bike to run.

My family has a 1330cc beast of a car that i use a bit when neccessary - the fuel consumption is the same, tyres last longer but otherwise cost the same to use all four as it does the pair on my 400, and insurance costs are higher than my bike insurance.

The big difference is the fuel consumption (and time efficiency) turns to shit while stuck on the motorway, and parking, as I said, is offensive at best. As a student I'd either be walking a significant distance each day, paying several grand a month for a inner city spot, or $6 an hour at uni (doing 8-12 hours a day)

my MR2 insurance is about $30 more a year than my 250 bandit. full cover, both insured for the same amount

either ripped off for the bandit or bargain for the MR2?

[Katman]

whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

Why weren't you looking?

[wolf.47]

I just Feel like were just getting raped cause we chose to use a Different form of transport to Most others, Yes i understand motorcycles are less forgiving when an accident happens, but paying $500-$700 a year is just bullshit.

[vindy500]

either ripped off for the bandit or bargain for the MR2?

$30ish a month

[wolf.47]

Anyway don't you pay rego in a lump sum every #mounth's, so it dos'nt fell like $2 xtra a day when you have to hand over $200-$700 all at once.

[motorbyclist]

Why weren't you looking?

It was figurative, to represent the stats - after 6 years of near misses I've not once had an accident involving a car on the road nor made any road related ACC claim

Anyway don't you pay rego in a lump sum every #mounth's, so it dos'nt fell like $2 xtra a day when you have to hand over $200-$700 all at once.

it's called budgeting

$30ish a month

farking bargain on the MR2 then

[motorbyclist]

Lets do some sums New Rego (under 601cc 40km a day 5 days a week only less stats = approx 9960km annually) $511.43 + apprx $140 registration costs + approx $360 insurance + $100 2 x wof + approx $500 2 x tires + $420 petrol (40km per litre) That equals $5.57 per day in 365 day year but you are only using it 249 days of the year (5 day week and stats off) = $8.16 per days use. And no maintenace costs on top

Use my logic and put in your own insurance etc and somehow do not see $4 any way I look at it???

wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......

Current running costs for 12 months on RVF400 including commute and leisure riding:
330 rego
60 two wofs
500 one set of tyres
100 brake pads (overestimate)
327 6k full cover insurance
60 oil
100 misc (bearings or gloves or whatever else dies)
1377 total

divide by 15000km in the year (UNDERestimate - you could add another 3000km done on other bikes of mine or in my care)

$0.0918 per Km

I get about 20km/L at $1.60 a litre, so add 1.6/20 $/km
$0.1718 per kilometer

multiply by twenty to get me from home to uni

cost to get to uni from home:
RVF400: $3.40 + 20minutes
Starlet: $10 for early bird parking alone + under25 insurance
Train: $5.70 + 60 minutes + getting to train station
Bus: why even bother they take well over an hour



Admittedly this is higher than expected, but I usually don't count pads, oil or "misc", particuarly as those tend to occur while on the coro GP and i've got shitloads of oil for the dirtbikes

Point being They have to increase the acc levy a fair way to price me off my bike, and even then I value the freedom it offers over public transport and a cage

[ital916]

wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......

Current running costs for 12 months on RVF400 including commute and leisure riding:
330 rego
60 two wofs
500 one set of tyres
100 brake pads (overestimate)
327 6k full cover insurance
60 oil
100 misc (bearings or gloves or whatever else dies)
1377 total

divide by 15000km in the year (UNDERestimate - you could add another 3000km done on other bikes of mine or in my care)

$0.0918 per Km

I get about 20km/L at $1.60 a litre, so add 1.6/20 $/km
$0.1718 per kilometer

multiply by twenty to get me from home to uni

cost to get to uni from home:
RVF400: $3.40 + 20minutes
Starlet: $10 for early bird parking alone + under25 insurance
Train: $5.70 + 60 minutes + getting to train station
Bus: why even bother they take well over an hour



Admittedly this is higher than expected, but I usually don't count pads, oil or "misc", particuarly as those tend to occur while on the coro GP and i've got shitloads of oil for the dirtbikes

Point being They have to increase the acc levy a fair way to price me off my bike, and even then I value the freedom it offers over public transport and a cage

Your bike must not take much oil, either that or you dont change it enough. $72-$78 will get you four litres..maybe high sixties if your lucky. I thought most bikes used at least 2.5 to 3 litres. You have to change more often over 15000 to 20000 k. Well, unless the rvf has a very small oil capacity. Even then you should be changing more often no? Just wondering.

[nothingflash]

It's not just the amount. It's the increase %. Try tripling the (already quite expensive) bill of any other group in society and watch them squeal too.

Yep, this is my issue as well. The % increase (at once) is unfair.

[ckai]

That would be brilliant except then I'm commuting on overpriced road charges because you munters go out on a weekend wheelieing your gsxr thous into oncoming traffic and other such activities, whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

See ACC mileage charges could work. What you would have is a maximum ($750) that would get you unlimited KM's for the year. This would equate to the average number of km's a bike travels in a year. Anything below this would be done on a per KM basis.

Like people have mentioned, this is killing the recreational rider, not the commuter. The wife takes the car everyday so per km or per day, the rego for that is pretty good. But her bike stays in the garage only clearing it's pipes for 200km every 2-3 months if it's lucky. So on a per km the bike is way dearer to rego.

But rego doesn't work like that and only now do I see it as a per km way with these big increases. If all bikers used their bikes like everyone else users their cars, it may not be hard to swallow, BUT I would have thought the majority of us are rec-riders (like all other sports).

wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......

Some places charge $50/wof. I think the last bike WOF I got was $40 so pretty close to the $100 for 2 WOF's murray figured.

[Pixie]

Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.

I commend you on your typing-while-bent-over skills

[Murray]

You have your rego at $330 make it closer to $650 with the new ACC levy's included and Boyds charge either $45-$50 for WOF. Also petrol is more than $1.60.

[PirateJafa]

That would be brilliant except then I'm commuting on overpriced road charges because you munters go out on a weekend wheelieing your gsxr thous into oncoming traffic and other such activities, whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

farrk dude! exactly how many accidents do tou have????

And the other half of your accidents are because you repeatedly decide to go and ride when you are in a completely unsafe state, experiencing severe sleep deprivation, and end up in a ditch as a result.

You've only been able to walk away through luck, which you've admitted yourself in the past.

And yet you're considering yourself holier than everyone else?

Edit: Ooooh a second page where you seem to be saying you'd rather give away money for no reason than buy another set of tyres. Good plan.

[ready4whatever]

More dare than a car. still got protective gear to buy with a bike. outragous rego cost, especially for a 'large' motorbike. more insurance. more chance of it getting stolen. much cooler than on the train of course