The new scheme is still a bargain, I hope you realise...

[SARGE]

ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

[ital916]

ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

Thats puuuurty....not pretty.

Was talking to an american at uni the other day, now I always thought it was a sterotype but when he said awesome, it seemed to last forever."aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwsome"....mega drawl.

[PirateJafa]

translation: "oh fuck better bail out before I make much more of an ass of myself"

With exams next week, some of us have been spending long hours each day studying. 'Course, you might disagree with this plan, but then we all know your propensity for procrastination.

:slap:
Learn to read: i was specifically referring to ROAD BIKE accidents.

At no point have ya mentioned this. Unless you're going to rock back and ninja-edit, at which point you've sunk to Dushy's level.

2: You took Duncan, Sam, Danae, and myself on a roadtrip to retrieve your motorcycle PURELY because you couldn't afford the expense yourself - had we gone down the two of us as per original plan (as told to me) we wouldn't have made it back from wellington, and had you told us this was the case we would've loaned you the cash and been prepared ourselves. We'll save the questionable driving in terms of speed and then fatigue for another time.

[wallotextalert]For a start, I'd been expecting to use a diesel van to get the bike - and only found out that this was not going to be possible two days before the trip. Secondly, if costs had been as expected, it would have been affordable - I wasn't expecting the ferry to cost an extra $80 over what they'd previously quoted on the phone, plus at this point we were using a 2.3L car towing a trailer - if I'd known we were going to be using this from the start, I'd've arranged for an overdraft just in case. Not to mention I wasn't expecting some numpties to net me a $200 parking ticket whilst I was in Nelson either, thanks mate. Interesting how you like to raise this topic when you can even fit in the vaguest tangential link to justify it - and yet haven't had the guts to bring it up in person with me? Thirdly, any complaints from you in terms of speed is nullified by, for a start, you quite happily exceeding the recommended 80km/h speed on a space-saver tyre, particularly whilst towing a bike-laden trailer - and of course the fact that you've only just, after several years, dropped down from the 80-90 demerit range - as opposed to my grand total of zero in my life.

Oh snap?

1: SO, in that case you could have retorted my original post by pointing out that private health insurance is infact dirt-fucking-cheap compared to ACC?

Because I could only be bothered on calling you out on one section of your OP. You clearly hadn't put too much thought into the rest of it, so I wasn't bothered. According to you, the new ACC levy is right and fair, solely because you have a moderate commute every day so it still means that YOU are saving money. Well, my commute is the exact same, but I disagree, as I feel that weekend-riders and inner-city commuters etc have a right not to be taxed off the road/their hobby. Call it a disagreement on principle. Namely because I don't just think about myself.

ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

That reminds me, I've got money that needs to be exchanged for tools. Time to hunt down your number once I get home again.

[Swoop]

It's the buses and trains that are too expensive!

Unfortunately not, they are too cheap. The bus service is subsidised by 50% by the ratepayers, as announced during the recent Auckland bus strike.

[Marmoot]

Unfortunately not, they are too cheap. The bus service is subsidised by 50% by the ratepayers, as announced during the recent Auckland bus strike.

Unfortunately not.
The (in)ability for the bus service to be self-sufficient is irrelevant to the affordability of the bus passengers.
$8 round trip from city-fringe suburb to inner-city is ridiculous by 2nd/3rd world country standard with an average income of around $36000-$40000 p.a.

To compare the ACC rate increase on something such as this is similar to saying "actually we're quite lucky we got burgled. The Samoans got it worse when their village was destroyed". Well, are you really lucky you got burgled? Are you supposed to thank your burglars because they "make you lucky"? Of course not. This case is similar: the comparison is invalid.

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Again, the bus affordability analysis above was solely based on affordability. I am not counting the causal factors such as why the bus service is unable to be self-sufficient (e.g., low population base = insufficient bus patronage rate, inability to spread the base infrastructure cost, etc).

[Swoop]

The (in)ability for the bus service to be self-sufficient is irrelevant to the affordability of the bus passengers.

I am not counting the causal factors such as why the bus service is unable to be self-sufficient (e.g., low population base = insufficient bus patronage rate, inability to spread the base infrastructure cost, etc).

Why should a business exist if it so inefficiently run? If memory serves, NZ Bus is owned by an overseas concern and would not be here if there wasn't profit to be made. Unfortunately the ratepayer has to take up the slack, once again...

They really need to look at how they operate. A huge bus that is only 10% occupied is not an acceptable solution especially with the greenies wanting "eco efficiency" all the time.
We see a full bus in the morning and the evening but if the company ran smaller busses that were better occupied, during off-peak commuting times, then more "genuine" fares could attract more patronage.
We have had years of "not enough passengers to be making enough profit, so we'll have to put the prices up" which puts people off of using public transport. If they put prices down, however...

This model works well overseas.

[davo]

Cheaper than a 125cc scrotah. Doubt it.

Agreed, I ride a humble little 250cc as my daily commute, my partner drives a 1300cc car. We spend a lot more on the car, however we also use it more frequently in the weekends so you could argue higher km's.

At the end of the day if you compare a low end (engine capacity) car such as a 1300cc vs a low end bike, I'd imagine the bike will always be cheaper?

[SARGE]

Thats puuuurty....not pretty.

Was talking to an american at uni the other day, now I always thought it was a sterotype but when he said awesome, it seemed to last forever."aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwsome"....mega drawl.

lemme guess .. he was a Californian..

we all hate THEM

oh .. and Texans

[motorbyclist]

With exams next week, some of us have been spending long hours each day studying. 'Course, you might disagree with this plan, but then we all know your propensity for procrastination.

yet here I am reading your reply, whilst you are out on a coro loop

At no point have ya mentioned this. Unless you're going to rock back and ninja-edit, at which point you've sunk to Dushy's level.

i made it explicitly clear every time i mentioned my personal acc experiences - no edit needed (and it shows the time/date of last edits anyway ya nub )

[wallotextalert]For a start, I'd been expecting to use a diesel van to get the bike - and only found out that this was not going to be possible two days before the trip. Secondly, if costs had been as expected, it would have been affordable - I wasn't expecting the ferry to cost an extra $80 over what they'd previously quoted on the phone, plus at this point we were using a 2.3L car towing a trailer - if I'd known we were going to be using this from the start, I'd've arranged for an overdraft just in case.

so you TOTALLY fucked up the planning of a trip you announced over a month prior?

Not to mention I wasn't expecting some numpties to net me a $200 parking ticket whilst I was in Nelson either, thanks mate.

well what exactly did you expect to happen for 8 hours in wellington without a current rego displayed?

it might pay to mention that at the time you found out you yourself said it wouldn't be a problem seeing as you had a current rego and the label was in the post.

Interesting how you like to raise this topic when you can even fit in the vaguest tangential link to justify it - and yet haven't had the guts to bring it up in person with me?

i've been trying to keep quiet about it since the trip but you make such an effective troll

Thirdly, any complaints from you in terms of speed is nullified by, for a start, you quite happily exceeding the recommended 80km/h speed on a space-saver tyre, particularly whilst towing a bike-laden trailer - and of course the fact that you've only just, after several years, dropped down from the 80-90 demerit range - as opposed to my grand total of zero in my life.

Oh snap?

oh hardly, i had a string of 20km/h over the limit tickets, one of which was in a new subdivision prior to housing, checking my bike was safe to ride, and have since kept well behaved. plus, i didn't have a car load of audible concerned passengers at the time

you not having any tickets is a show of luck - including the one you got let off on for no clear reason

According to you, the new ACC levy is right and fair,

i never said that. I was merely saying it isn't going to be the end of motorcycling as the cost is still low in comparison to running costs for a commute, and/or running costs for a large capacity sportsbike.

infact, i said it was " still a crock of shit."

jeez you commerce students aren't too strong on the reading, are ya?