ACC just another National agenda!

**sinfull** · 17th October 2009, 00:02

Originally Posted by Bend-it

Ahhhh, so the problem with privatisation is that it will stop being publically funded?

Now your on to it, it will be funded by you !!!

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 00:06

where do you think public funds come from??

Nice avatar, by the way... I should at least have some credit for giving you the idea...

**sinfull** · 17th October 2009, 00:08

Originally Posted by Bend-it

where do you think public funds come from??

Nice avatar, by the way... I should at least have some credit for giving you the idea...

I give up Bend-a !

You can have the avatar if ya want it !
Who was it you IT for ?

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 00:10

Originally Posted by sinfull

I give up Bend-a !

You can have the avatar if ya want it !
Who was it you IT for ?

No... you're the one with the slingshot... TelstraClear. You in IT as well?

**sinfull** · 17th October 2009, 00:14

Originally Posted by Bend-it

No... you're the one with the slingshot... TelstraClear. You in IT as well?

Up to the neck bro, up to the neck !!!

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 00:15

aren't we all... that's why we're online at 1.15am on a Sat morning...

**Spyke** · 17th October 2009, 00:32

wooooooow I'm lovin it. Our countries srewed and theres nothing i can do except craw up a hole and die how sads that?

oh well, ftul fuck the useless laws.

**Sanx** · 17th October 2009, 01:32

Originally Posted by StoneY

When you learn to spell and proof read I might bother considering your opinion

Your too illiterate to undesrtand politics at this point so shut the fuck up

That's just gold.

**Motig** · 17th October 2009, 06:10

This article from the Press -

Crash figures are being wrongly used to back large ACC levy increases for motorcyclists, a leading researcher says.

Lincoln University Associate Professor Charles Lamb, who heads the Australasian Institute of Motorcycle Studies project, said ACC and minister Nick Smith were basing the proposed increases on poor facts.

ACC wants to increase annual motorcycle levies by hundreds of dollars, with owners of machines over 601cc facing a massive rise from $252 to $745.

ACC said riders were 16 per cent more likely than other road users to be involved in a crash.

It paid $62 million in motorcyclists' claims last year, while receiving only $12m in levies from users.

Submissions on the levy proposal close on November 10.

Lamb said analysis of Ministry of Transport crash data showed 67 per cent of motorcycle accidents involved other drivers, and 60 per cent of those crashes were caused by the other driver.

He said ACC also wrongly loaded higher levy increases on to motorcycles with engines over 600cc.

Lamb said 43 per cent of the 420 accidents – studied last year – between motorcycles and other vehicles in Auckland and Canterbury did not have the bike's engine size on the police accident report. The most common engine size in the remaining 57 per cent of crash reports was 250cc, which lent no weight to charging higher levies on bigger machines, he said.

Smith said even if cars caused all accidents between vehicles and motorcycles, the cost of other motorcycle accidents exceeded the proposed levy.

Lamb said last year there were 1475 motorcycle accidents in New Zealand and 50 deaths.

By comparison, 36 cyclists died in 1170 bicycle accidents but the cycling community paid no levies.

Lamb said ACC figures also included injury crashes involving unregistered, offroad motorcycles and farm bikes.

**terbang** · 17th October 2009, 06:49

Yup, chuck out ACC and privatize it and I guess our insurance premiums will go up some. Does anyone realisticly reckon that taxes and registration fees will be lowered as a result?

**RiderInBlack** · 17th October 2009, 10:53

Originally Posted by terbang

Yup, chuck out ACC and privatize it

This is just what Nat & ACT want ya ta do

And then we can sue each other as the Lawyers go laughing all the way ta the bank. No thanks, I don't want ta be an "Americian/NZ Idiot".

Originally Posted by terbang

Does anyone realisticly reckon that taxes and registration fees will be lowered as a result?

Of cause they do

**kwaka_crasher** · 17th October 2009, 10:56

Originally Posted by terbang

Yup, chuck out ACC and privatize it and I guess our insurance premiums will go up some. Does anyone realisticly reckon that taxes and registration fees will be lowered as a result?

Premiums were lower for the 1 year we were allowed to choose a private insurer in '98/'99. I remember that distinctly.

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

This is just what Nat & ACT want ya ta do

No. They want to open it to competition, and had in the past done so with good results. Big difference. Huge.

**RiderInBlack** · 17th October 2009, 12:09

Originally Posted by kwaka_crasher

No. They want to open it to competition, and had in the past done so with good results. Big difference. Huge.

Actually I would disagree as to the results being "good

". That's was not my experience at the time as a Self-Employed Farrier when they privatized Self-employed ACC premiums. No way do I ever want them ta go there again.

**kwaka_crasher** · 17th October 2009, 15:17

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Actually I would disagree as to the results being "good

". That's was not my experience at the time as a Self-Employed Farrier when they privatized Self-employed ACC premiums. No way do I ever want them ta go there again.

I too was self-employed at the time and still am to this day - my experience was the polar opposite. You could have chosen to stay with ACC - the premiums didn't change. Are you saying you changed provider for higher premiums?