ACC just another National agenda!

[StoneY]

That's just gold.

Thank Sanx

Peace

[puddy]

Why would you own a GSX1400 if you only rode it 8 times a year?!?!

Exactly! Either start riding it or sell it, stay home, and sit in front of the radio so you can listen to/call talkback and keep complaining about how crap things are, and how much better we would have been if Helen had won (tui ad)!

[Mully]

Exactly! Either start riding it or sell it, stay home, and sit in front of the radio so you can listen to/call talkback and keep complaining about how crap things are, and how much better we would have been if Helen had won (tui ad)!

Or she could just get back in the kitchen - her man obviously needs to shorten her leash if she can get to the computer and get out on a bike 8 times a year.....

That outta do it for now

[RiderInBlack]

keep complaining about how crap things are, and how much better we would have been if Helen had won (tui ad)!

Mean while ya can sit on the couch happily deluded in ta believing that the Nats are your Saviours and would never do this Country any harm (A whole truck load of Tui's on that idea).

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

What are the bulk of the people going to listen to and care about...

Rape victims recieving help form ACC...

or

Motorcyclists have to pay more ACC...



Most people out probably think that the motorcyclist is the raper and don't care about them...

[RiderInBlack]

Now that I believe:
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/first-...ture-a-crisis/
Thanks Ms Piggy for the link (Posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...6&postcount=27 ).
So anyone still believe National is not upto Spin Doctoring games

[GSXGirl]

What a silly bitch. This is an ACC proposal and has yet to be approved by the Minister. But I'm sure you won't let facts get in the way of your drivel. Back to your minimum wage job at McDs.

If only you could ACT like an adult!!!!

[kwaka_crasher]

If only you could ACT like an adult!!!!

As if a bint like you is qualified to judge anyone.

Now that I believe:http://www.thestandard.org.nz/first-...ture-a-crisis/[/COLOR][/FONT]
Thanks Ms Piggy for the link (Posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...6&postcount=27 ).So anyone still believe National is not upto Spin Doctoring games]

The No-Standards? Don't make me laugh!

[Brian d marge]

How about you think on this: everything you posted is blatant bullshit. Fuck off.

Well the stuff I post sure as hell ain't , backed up with facts

Ive sure posted enough of em on here


I suspect ( and cant prove ) is that NZ has been put under pressure to pay or reduce its Debt

Largely driven by property , Here we have people with disposable income investing in an asset , for what ever reason ,,,,

Now about a year ago the great supply of investment money closed and lenders started calling in debt

The Aussie banks had a reserve to call on and did a good job , one of the reasons we didn't feel the heat to much

but , this Crisis fits nicely with the national agenda , they have always said they would open up ACC and others to err competition ,,,

Electricity any one??? ( no it wasn't )

DO NOt GO DOWN THE AMERICAN PATH ....my friend has been ruined by a bike accident , lost his house everything...... another paid US $ 1500 for a waiting room visit and a compulosry ambulance ride ....

Trust me

Stop thinking of yourselves and put the community to the fore , as its the community that will help you the most when you need it

Stephen

[RiderInBlack]

DO NOt GO DOWN THE AMERICAN PATH ....my friend has been ruined by a bike accident , lost his house everything...... another paid US $ 1500 for a waiting room visit and a compulosry ambulance ride ....

Trust me

Stop thinking of yourselves and put the community to the fore , as its the community that will help you the most when you need it

Stephen

What he said. Have been to the States & Canada. Had a off on a Canadian Motorway. Lucky for me I was OK and could turn down the Ambo wanting ta make money out of me (They are like Towies fighting over a wreck there). The car that stopped too quickly causing the accident, I had to worry about if he was going ta try and do me for whip-lash.

The No-Standards? Don't make me laugh!

Open ya eyes. The writer of that article had done his homework and knew want he was talking about.

[bikemike]

This is where it's at:

Trust me

Stop thinking of yourselves and put the community to the fore , as its the community that will help you the most when you need it

Stephen

"I am pretty sure I heard that there is an expectation that ACC will not only be self funding, but is expected to give a return. "

And so on.

I always viewed ACC as a state service, and with any state service, we all fund it. Directly or indirectly, flat rate or by sector. We pay.
But the bottom line is that each person does not necessarily pay their own way. In fact (just like insurance companies - some seem to miss this point - the rates are set so that the majority pay for the few, and there's some in the pot left over). But the left over sum is the key one.

If it was never meant to be fully direct funded, then I assume that the benefit to society as a whole was in plain view? I mean, the idea is that ACC support gets us back to productive capacity so that we keep making stuff, selling stuff and paying taxes. We stay involved, we retain purpose, role in society and all that stuff. We retain our sanity and our health, directly or indirectly by having access to ACC until we are on our feet again.

If that's what was intended, then rating per group and looking for fully funded scenarios misses the point.

In this way it does become political, because in the main, Nats and supporters (as seen here) do not generally want to pay en masse for societal benefit in this way. In the main they want user pays and 'personal responsibility'.

In the main, Labour/Green and their supporters have less of an issue or fully support the idea that everyone chipping in for the benefit of all is a 'good thing'.

The notion of whether we can afford it or not comes down to whether we are doing full accounting on all the benefits to society, as well as all the costs.

I don't see this discussed anywhere.

If it becomes fully funded, NZ will lose. You may gain, but then others will not. As with biking, it's not always your fault, and you can't always afford to pay.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

if ACC is privatised etc blah rant...

they would have to drop the ACC levy in fuel would they not???? else if I am not on ACC but privat then I still pay acc via fuel...