Motorcyclists don't pay enough?

[Thaeos]

How can it be claimed that motorcyclists don't pay enough, when the vast majority of motorcyclists will be paying rego for at least 2 vehicles? How many people own a bike + a car, or multiple bikes + multiple cars??

They won't be using them all at the same time. I wonder what the average motorcyclists ACTUAL contribution to ACC is. Restricting the stats to only that paid from motorcycle rego alone doesn't make any sense, and is obviously skewing it in their favour.

[Coldrider]

Number of vehicles owned by one is irrelevant.
To keep the math simple for political purposes, define expected payouts/vehicle in that type to rape (each).
Larger capacity machines tend to have more exhaust pipes, or a larger singular one combined, so they can physically be raped more, compared to a schroter.

[nothingflash]

2 bikes and 2 cars for me. Just sold the boat so no more rego for the trailer...

[Thaeos]

Number of vehicles owned by one is irrelevant.

Well I guess you're taking the piss, but on this point it's completely relevant.

My reasoning is that the claim that 'motorcyclists' only contribute 12 million towards ACC is a complete fabrication. Why? because the vast majority of motorcyclists pay rego for other vehicles also. Which can't all be used concurrently... So how much does the average motorcyclist really pay for ACC each year? The total will add up to alot more than $12 million I would think.

It's just picking the stats you want to hide the reality.

[digsaw]

Two cars, and 5 road bikes,i guess i pay more than my fair share

[StoneY]

2 bikes and 2 cars for me. Just sold the boat so no more rego for the trailer...

NOW theres a point...do Boat trailers and Boats have a levy?
Not being smart....just curious mate, educate us if you know the answer...

[Coldrider]

Well I guess you're taking the piss, but on this point it's completely relevant.

My reasoning is that the claim that 'motorcyclists' only contribute 12 million towards ACC is a complete fabrication. Why? because the vast majority of motorcyclists pay rego for other vehicles also. Which can't all be used concurrently... So how much does the average motorcyclist really pay for ACC each year? The total will add up to alot more than $12 million I would think.

It's just picking the stats you want to hide the reality.

I know what your're saying, I own 2 cars. one ute, motorcycle, pay acc from my income etc...
But it is irrelevant because ACC and NZTA (whatever their latest is) do not view it that way. It always has been levered one rego, one acc levy regardless of ownership numbers.

[bogan]

Well I guess you're taking the piss, but on this point it's completely relevant.

My reasoning is that the claim that 'motorcyclists' only contribute 12 million towards ACC is a complete fabrication. Why? because the vast majority of motorcyclists pay rego for other vehicles also. Which can't all be used concurrently... So how much does the average motorcyclist really pay for ACC each year? The total will add up to alot more than $12 million I would think.

It's just picking the stats you want to hide the reality.

someone got the registered bike and scooter figures from ltsa i think, and worked out the acc levys at the current rate, income would be around 20million, so they have already started off by skewing the stats somehow. Cant member what thread it was in, theres soooo many!

[Thaeos]

Ok, ACC and NZTA see it that way, but it doesn't really make sense does it.

Motorcyclists aren't just 'motorcyclists'. They pay just as much as everyone else and quite possibly even more. The reasoning behind the proposal is just plain wrong.

[Reckless]

Well I guess you're taking the piss, but on this point it's completely relevant.

My reasoning is that the claim that 'motorcyclists' only contribute 12 million towards ACC is a complete fabrication. Why? because the vast majority of motorcyclists pay rego for other vehicles also. Which can't all be used concurrently... So how much does the average motorcyclist really pay for ACC each year? The total will add up to alot more than $12 million I would think.

It's just picking the stats you want to hide the reality.

Two cars, and 5 road bikes,i guess i pay more than my fair share

I know what your're saying, I own 2 cars. one ute, motorcycle, pay acc from my income etc...
But it is irrelevant because ACC and NZTA (whatever their latest is) do not view it that way. It always has been levered one rego, one acc levy regardless of ownership numbers.

Same with me a car, two bikes! Wifes car etc

As I said Bikers are Middle income NZ right smack in the National sector! I'd bet a very large % here are national voters?? The message has got to get across loud and clear. They are toying with their supporters Loyalty!

[Coldrider]

As my three car regos subsidise motorcycles by $77 each, do you think i will get a $231 refund from the ACC?

[Coldrider]

Ok, ACC and NZTA see it that way, but it doesn't really make sense does it.

Motorcyclists aren't just 'motorcyclists'. They pay just as much as everyone else and quite possibly even more. The reasoning behind the proposal is just plain wrong.

Never will, just gets too complicated to administer different cost structures.
Plus, what suits one group does not suit another.
Different ages, classes of bikes, number kilometers travelled, number of vehicles owned etc, so many variables that affect our vulnerability and risk.

[geoffm]

Well, with 3 bikes, the rego is around 5% of my after tax (the only number that counts) income - basically a 8% before tax tax increase.
WIth this, the wage earners levy, the MSSA change the police brought in by stealth, the power companies overcharging,petrol tax increases, and every other sneaky tax increase and levy, National have taken more off me in increased taxes than Helen did in 9 years.
I used to be a Nat voter, at least electorate - never, ever again.

[breakaway]

Never will, just gets too complicated to administer different cost structures.

Sorry, what?

Say a person owns a bike AND car. The rego for a bike is more than a car. The solution is simple, charge him the rego cost of the car. It's not like the person will be driving car and riding the bike at the same time.

This is better than paying two sets of regos.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

How can it be claimed that motorcyclists don't pay enough, when the vast majority of motorcyclists will be paying rego for at least 2 vehicles? How many people own a bike + a car, or multiple bikes + multiple cars??

They won't be using them all at the same time. I wonder what the average motorcyclists ACTUAL contribution to ACC is. Restricting the stats to only that paid from motorcycle rego alone doesn't make any sense, and is obviously skewing it in their favour.

Don't forget ACC in petrol and PAYE which also covers any thing do as citizen, including riding your motorcycle...

They have no way of working out how much ACC motorcyclists pay