Motorcyclists don't pay enough?

[Coldrider]

Sorry, what?

Say a person owns a bike AND car. The rego for a bike is more than a car. The solution is simple, charge him the rego cost of the car. It's not like the person will be driving car and riding the bike at the same time.

This is better than paying two sets of regos.

Sorry what, has not happened before, if your so smart, you make this happen then, EPIC FAIL on your words if you can't.
PUT UP.

[Coldrider]

Sorry, what?

Say a person owns a bike AND car. The rego for a bike is more than a car. The solution is simple, charge him the rego cost of the car. It's not like the person will be driving car and riding the bike at the same time.

This is better than paying two sets of regos.

In question time in Parliament, Nick Smith was asked about ACC and motorcycles. The full cost of injuries to motorcyclicts allocated back over motorcycle regos would be $2,700 (cars were wanted to be $130).
It is also common knowledge that $77 per car rego Acc levy subsidises motorcycle levies, which is why we are being hit for only $500 or $750 etc.
The bigger picture shows what we will be ultimately paying.
Now when 2.5 million cage drivers (or what ever amount) find out they are subsidising motorcycles, and their rate is going up $30, that $30 and the previous $47 is for motorcycles, we are going to be swimming against the current.

[Beemer]

Yes, six bikes and three cars - and I'm self-employed so get hit there as well! And yet when I tried to claim for OOS after an eight-week stint of non-stop data entry, I was told it was a gradual injury and therefore not covered. Can't even opt out. Arseholes!

It's about time they brought in a no-claims discount for people like my husband who have ridden bikes for about 30 years and had ONE claim in all that time. I bet most skiers and rugby players have had more claims than that.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Now when 2.5 million cage drivers (or what ever amount) find out they are subsidising motorcycles, and their rate is going up $30, that $30 and the previous $47 is for motorcycles, we are going to be swimming against the current.

That is a how a no fault system works and always will be like that... bikers also own cars... and there own stats show cars cost more injuries compared to bikes

[Coldrider]

That is a how a no fault system works and always will be like that... bikers also own cars... and there own stats show cars cost more injuries compared to bikes

In total agreement, just have to pay and ride.

[kwaka_crasher]

2 bikes and 2 cars for me. Just sold the boat so no more rego for the trailer...

There's a saving of $35 right there!

Well I guess you're taking the piss, but on this point it's completely relevant.

My reasoning is that the claim that 'motorcyclists' only contribute 12 million towards ACC is a complete fabrication. Why? because the vast majority of motorcyclists pay rego for other vehicles also. Which can't all be used concurrently... So how much does the average motorcyclist really pay for ACC each year? The total will add up to alot more than $12 million I would think.

It's just picking the stats you want to hide the reality.

Paying licence fees for other vehicles is irrelevant - the point is that motorcyclists are not paying their way.

NOW theres a point...do Boat trailers and Boats have a levy?

No, they don't.

Say a person owns a bike AND car. The rego for a bike is more than a car. The solution is simple, charge him the rego cost of the car. It's not like the person will be driving car and riding the bike at the same time.

I can just see it now. All the cars in the street registered to one person that lives there...

[Thaeos]

Paying licence fees for other vehicles is irrelevant - the point is that motorcyclists are not paying their way.

Well my point is that in reality they are

[Coldrider]

Well my point is that in reality they are

Individually, we are paying too much, should be cheaper than cars.
Collectively we are not paying enough, that is there is not enough rego'd motorcycles contributing to the pool.
That is statistics for you.

[kwaka_crasher]

Well my point is that in reality they are

Your 'point' is simply wrong. As motorcyclists they are not.

[Thaeos]

Your 'point' is simply wrong. As motorcyclists they are not.

Your understanding is wrong.

The 'motorcyclists' category does not include everything the so-called 'motorcyclists' are actually paying.

Individually, we are paying too much, should be cheaper than cars.
Collectively we are not paying enough, that is there is not enough rego'd motorcycles contributing to the pool.
That is statistics for you.

What Coldrider said.

[kwaka_crasher]

Your understanding is wrong.

The 'motorcyclists' category does not include everything the so-called 'motorcyclists' are actually paying.

Nor does any other category. It's called the "Motor Vehicle Account" for a reason. You're trying to justify anyone who pays a levy of any kind should be permitted to engage in any other activity regardless of risk. That's like someone whose most dangerous activity is crochet paying the same premium as a trapeze artist without a safety net. Your position is ridiculous.

[ready4whatever]

we are going to be swimming against the current.

Yip we are all like whitebait.

Right now i just have one car so im alright. for now

[Mort]

Its a good point - I pay three lots of ACC for a car and two bikes. Jesus...There must be some way of legally challenging this ACC bollocks. The more I find out about it the more unfair it is.

[Mort]

I can just see it now. All the cars in the street registered to one person that lives there...

Well what about private compulsory insurance for all drivers like they do in the UK or removing vehicle based ACC to be driver based. Its not rocket science.... This system stinks.

[5150]

We pay with our lifes...