ACC levy and the bike market- what's going to happen?

**davereid** · 17th October 2009, 14:38

Originally Posted by rosie631

I was under the impression, like many others on here, that if you had no Rego but were still warranted you would be covered by insurance. Rang one insurance company today and they said would be covered for fire and theft but would be declined for accident because without rego you are on the road illegally.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110204

Apparently they CANT decline insurance on the basis of rego, its against the Lore.

**vstrom** · 17th October 2009, 14:47

ME, its not the harleys i dont like its the wankers that ride them

**dipshit** · 17th October 2009, 15:01

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

We are not out the recession yet... we are just in the eye of the storm, the worst is yet to come...

Sweet! Means gold prices will go even higher! (investors lose confidence in banks and share markets and invest in gold instead)

The boss was talking about 100% pay rises next year. Maybe he wasn't joking.

**Bren** · 17th October 2009, 15:08

My 2 cents worth..the short version, It sucks and they have their figures contorted....

The fact of the matter is from the statistics recently quoted in "The Press" 54% of all motorcycle accidents that recorded CC size were in the 250 CC bracket.

The new riders are those most at risk of getting seriously hurt, therefore they should be paying the higher regos...So the seasoned riders are in effect going to be subsidising the squids on their little rockets....

**Naki Rat** · 17th October 2009, 15:17

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

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All these extra price hikes on every thing is just going to make the recesion worse...

We are not out the recession yet... we are just in the eye of the storm, the worst is yet to come...

Too right. They are just fiddling with the deck chairs unable or unwilling to see the icebergs (UK, US & Chinese economies) on the horizon

**DangerMice** · 17th October 2009, 15:22

Originally Posted by metalslug

Scooters will probably be the one suffering the most- especially <50cc mopeds, since people ride them to save on petrol instead of joy riding. But at the new rego price you might as well just drive...

Hell no, I'll still be keeping my scoot. Yes the new rego price would be >400% higher, but it's still only on par with a car. Given that I don't (yet) need to get a WOF and petrol costs me $40/month compared to $260/month it was costing me in the car, I'm still miles ahead.

Don't get me wrong, I think the proposed increases are a bunch of arse, but I guess scooters have had it too good for too long and have finally been taken to task.

**duckonin** · 17th October 2009, 15:27

If it happens (bikes off the road ) thats going to put a lot of cars back on the road..

This govt is made up of fucken dorks

**dipshit** · 17th October 2009, 16:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiMhQHGm9XQ

**GOONR** · 17th October 2009, 16:04

Originally Posted by Bren

My 2 cents worth..the short version, It sucks and they have their figures contorted....

The fact of the matter is from the statistics recently quoted in "The Press" 54% of all motorcycle accidents that recorded CC size were in the 250 CC bracket.

The new riders are those most at risk of getting seriously hurt, therefore they should be paying the higher regos...So the seasoned riders are in effect going to be subsidising the squids on their little rockets....

If you continue this on then us "squids" are subsidising cyclist's, rugby players etc.. no matter which way you look at it the motorbike rider is being unfairly targeted.

**popelli** · 17th October 2009, 18:10

Originally Posted by GOONR

If you continue this on then us "squids" are subsidising cyclist's, rugby players etc.. no matter which way you look at it the motorbike rider is being unfairly targeted.

per insurance statistics from the UK's largest specialist insurance broker cruiser type and custom motorcylces have the least number of insurance claims, so not only are motorcyclists subsidising other sections of society but riders of cruiser type motorcycles are effectively subsidising the sports bikes

if they are really set on increasing acc levies by risk then it should be by individual model type rather than by engine size

over 600cc is a complete joke, this classifies a 650cc bsa a10 as being as dangerous as a 1300cc jap bike - a complete joke

**GOONR** · 17th October 2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by popelli

per insurance statistics from the UK's largest specialist insurance broker cruiser type and custom motorcylces have the least number of insurance claims, so not only are motorcyclists subsidising other sections of society but riders of cruiser type motorcycles are effectively subsidising the sports bikes

if they are really set on increasing acc levies by risk then it should be by individual model type rather than by engine size

over 600cc is a complete joke, this classifies a 650cc bsa a10 as being as dangerous as a 1300cc jap bike - a complete joke

Totally agree, coming from the Uk I have lived with the idea that it should be based on experience, age, bike model. It would mean that I pay less than some but more than others, fair's fair.

**dino3310** · 17th October 2009, 18:49

can i ask.... all these accident statistics there basing this bullshit price hike on, does that include farmer 2 and 4 wheeler, unregd trail, mx and pit/mini bikes?

**dipshit** · 17th October 2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by dino3310

can i ask.... all these accident statistics there basing this bullshit price hike on, does that include farmer 2 and 4 wheeler, unregd trail, mx and pit/mini bikes?

Probably not by the looks of it. Road accidents come under road claims. Off-road recreational bike use comes under sporting claims. And farm accidents come under farming accidents. Just like a tractor accident on a farm doesn't come under road accidents.

i.e.

Road claim costs. Total $413,001,000

Driving Passenger car $208,343,000
Motorcycle $62,545,000
Pedestrian $28,472,000
Truck $15,639,000
Cycling $15,543,000
Bus driver/passenger $1,334,000
ATV $173,000

Sports claim costs. Total $220,152

Rugby Union and rugby league $50,689,000
Motorcycling & Trail biking & motorcross $15,397,000
Netball $11,496,000
Cycling $10,447,000
Swimming $10,055,000

As you can see here there is 62.5 million under motorcycle road accidents. Another 15.4 million under sports. If they had lumped off-road use in with road accidents then they would have been talking of a figure around 79 million.