A vote for change?

**Robert Taylor** · 1st November 2009, 11:37

Originally Posted by mctshirt

A little defensive aren't we?

My point remains the ACC levy for motorcycles is not an issue that swings my vote...

I have to agree with that balanced standpoint.
The Government has indeed got it wrong on the ACC levy for motorcyclists, when they should have looked at disallowing sporting injuries being covered by ACC. AND auditing what all subcontractors and specialists are charging ACC, etc. For too long its been a gravy train.
But as with any singular issue that affected groups feel persecuted by its all too easy to say ''change the Government.''
The National led Government is one that I voted for ( and always have with a proud record of never having voted for a leftist party ) This singular ACC issue in no way will sway me from repeating my voting preference in 2 years time.

**Jantar** · 1st November 2009, 12:03

Originally Posted by mctshirt

...My point remains the ACC levy for motorcycles is not an issue that swings my vote...

It will change half of my vote. I split it last election National/Act. Now it will be Act/Act.

**short-circuit** · 2nd November 2009, 06:03

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I have to agree with that balanced standpoint.
The Government has indeed got it wrong on the ACC levy for motorcyclists, when they should have looked at disallowing sporting injuries being covered by ACC. AND auditing what all subcontractors and specialists are charging ACC, etc. For too long its been a gravy train.
But as with any singular issue that affected groups feel persecuted by its all too easy to say ''change the Government.''
The National led Government is one that I voted for ( and always have with a proud record of never having voted for a leftist party ) This singular ACC issue in no way will sway me from repeating my voting preference in 2 years time.

I agree that single issues should not sway ones vote, but this just the politics of user pays, privatisation and the dismantling of the public service - Trademark National Party....and it happens to affect bikers in a very direct way (which is quite ironic given the amount of KBers who seem to have voted for these pricks)

The ideology that drives these policies is shortsighted and primitive. You as a supporter of this government are both of these things....and well as being possibly more indoctrinated than a destiny church member.

**Robert Taylor** · 4th November 2009, 18:25

Originally Posted by short-circuit

I agree that single issues should not sway ones vote, but this just the politics of user pays, privatisation and the dismantling of the public service - Trademark National Party....and it happens to affect bikers in a very direct way (which is quite ironic given the amount of KBers who seem to have voted for these pricks)

The ideology that drives these policies is shortsighted and primitive. You as a supporter of this government are both of these things....and well as being possibly more indoctrinated than a destiny church member.

I absolutely do not agree, I am after a fair deal for everyone and privatisation is a more equitable and lees ''subsidorial'' system. I firmly believe that ''compassionate conservatism'' is in the end event a better system than what we had under a spendthrift and blindly socialist Labour administration. For which in part we are now paying the price.
If anything the National party needs to move its policies further to the right. But one thing I do agree on is capital gains tax for owners of multiple houses, our economies have been based too much on speculation rather than productivity. Interesting that most political parties support this.
I dont entirely agree with the added levy to motorcyclists but we should also put the heat on those motorcyclists who give the majority a bad name.
It is also fair to point out where money is blindly wasted in ACC. It should not be covering sporting injuries for which people should have private cover, it should also not be a gravy train for specialists who are charging excessively.
If anything employers should feel just as or even more aggrieved with their levies than motorcyclists?

**Blue TLS** · 4th November 2009, 23:15

I don't understand how john key got elected in the first place with all his pre-election fumbles and all. he was actually reported as saying he wouldnt touch acc and overheard saying to someone next to him not yet anyway and by golly look what he's doing

If you voted national and this thing passes I sure hope you will pay my acc levies cos i blame you

Oh yeah, and acc aint broke they just got a $700,000,000 yes seven hundred million dollar return on investments kinda makes them and the nats look like a bunch of lying tossers

John Key, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire

**Robert Taylor** · 5th November 2009, 18:12

Originally Posted by Blue TLS

I don't understand how john key got elected in the first place with all his pre-election fumbles and all. he was actually reported as saying he wouldnt touch acc and overheard saying to someone next to him not yet anyway and by golly look what he's doing

If you voted national and this thing passes I sure hope you will pay my acc levies cos i blame you

Oh yeah, and acc aint broke they just got a $700,000,000 yes seven hundred million dollar return on investments kinda makes them and the nats look like a bunch of lying tossers

John Key, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire

Employers have been subsidising other sectors of society for years through their acc levies. Have we been as voiciferous in how it hits our pockets?
The current National Government has the same problem as the last, they inherited a cupboard that was empty.
I sympathise with motorcyclists as there are great economies that could be effected in other areas. But it in no way is going to alter my voting pattern, certainly not on a singular issue.

**NONONO** · 5th November 2009, 18:17

Compassionate Conservatism?????????????
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Fuckwit!

**Skyryder** · 5th November 2009, 18:39

Originally Posted by StoneY

I worked at ERO when them schools were closed, and fact remains, sad as it was, close 1 of 10 schools to save 4 of the ten becoming BANKRUPT!

And that's largely due to the neglect the Education System had suffered under ALL previous fucking govt's (nats and labour, so fuck it blame who?)

And after 2 years of studying the results, it was largely successful in what it tried to achieve, and that was to supply a Teacher for EVERY classroom, (let alone keep many struggling school boards SOLVENT but what the fuck, why let FACTS upset YOUR trolley cart dude)

National would have closed 3 of ten and sold the fuckin land to make a profit, I know I was at the select comitee meetings where your wonderful John Key was telling Labour they were not closing enough 'non performing schools' and his idea of performance was how much budget remained each year

Bah humbug....threads lost its way already.
FJ start another one man the emotional dribble has overflowed again

If anyone wants to know just how bad Anne Tolly is she came to a hairs breadth of signing off 700 teachers not so long ago. Even the dumb arse Cabinet of Key's gave this aproval. It wasn't untill someone from the ministry told Tolly that she was signing off 700 current jobs and not as she thought 700 teaching vacancies. Thank god my kids are no longer at school but for those of you whose kids are ya better keep an eye on this woman. SHE HAS NO IDEA OF WHAT SHE IS DOING.

Skyryder

**NONONO** · 5th November 2009, 18:45

I am a member of the Compassionate Conservatives Club.
Also a member of the Vegetarians Chapter of Ronald McDonald Supporters Guild.
And a financial member of the Lesbians Love Trouser Snakes Party......

**Skyryder** · 5th November 2009, 18:55

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Employers have been subsidising other sectors of society for years through their acc levies. Have we been as voiciferous in how it hits our pockets?
The current National Government has the same problem as the last, they inherited a cupboard that was empty.
I sympathise with motorcyclists as there are great economies that could be effected in other areas. But it in no way is going to alter my voting pattern, certainly not on a singular issue.

Oh give me break.......................please.

The cost of government protection of Anglo-Australian mining giant Rio Tinto from carbon and electricity charges means taxpayers will pay the equivalent of $225,000 for each job at the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter, says a carbon expert.

"It would be cheaper for the New Zealand taxpayer to pay every single Tiwai Point worker and contractor $200,000 per annum for the rest of their lives to simply stay home," said Kent Duston of Wellington-based Autonomic Consulting.

From

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-ch...ectid=10605697

Jeezz I could give you a whole history of the taxpayer subsidizing buisness under Labour. But when it comes to good old fashioned abuse of the taxpayer the ACC shambles is just a drop in the ocean. For unparalled abuse of the taxpayer the Nats are in a league of their own.

Skyryder