BIKEOI Wellington

**Pedrostt500** · 21st October 2009, 16:57

I belive that it is Dangerious to Asume that we have the backing of the general public, the NZ public is apathetic at the best of times, unless its about a small child or some small furry animal, the child would be able to dine on cat food for the rest of there life, and the small furry animal will enter the rich list with millions of dollar in dedicated trust funds.
So what am I trying to say, don't count all your chickens as hatched untill they do, as we have a long way to go yet, even after the National Bikeoi, we may still have a fight on our hands, because our Foe's are sneaky Bastards, and may have other nasty plans for us.

**Bullitt** · 21st October 2009, 22:11

Just something we may want to consider given what wingrider just said at the end of the last page.

Do we want to encourage scooter riders to support this protest ride as well? If so should we be having a meeting point somewhere they can meet up with us but avoid 100k areas? (remembering many scooter riders dont wear full gear so maybe we wouldnt be helping our cause)

**Latch** · 21st October 2009, 22:42

Originally Posted by Trudes

Is the point to ride to Parliament to present a petition or something? If so then it needs to be a day when the MPs are going to be there. Also, are we pissy with ACC? Do we need to make some noise outside the main ACC building in Wellington?

No, I don't think we're pissy with ACC. The ACC is an absolutely brilliant institution and should be protected and supported. The ACC offices are full of ordinary peons earning their keep, so there's no value in protesting there. But Parliament, and the cretins who'd like to charge us for other people's poor driving? Absolutely, let's be as in their face within the law as we possibly can be.

We really need some leverage on this one - has anyone had an illicit affair with the ministers in question? That would be a help

**Latch** · 21st October 2009, 22:49

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Just something we may want to consider given what wingrider just said at the end of the last page.

Do we want to encourage scooter riders to support this protest ride as well? If so should we be having a meeting point somewhere they can meet up with us but avoid 100k areas? (remembering many scooter riders dont wear full gear so maybe we wouldnt be helping our cause)

Yes, we want to encourage scooter riders. I've been chatting with Jess Corbett, who runs ScootWell down here, and she's keen to support, but they're busy with their annual rally (in Hawkes Bay this weekend).

Most of the ScootWell people are pretty sensible about their gear, I'd say. They're not falling off as fast as us, and they are at least wearing more gear than say, cyclists, who are falling off nearly as fast as scooterists!

Thinking about it today, I imagined a rally of every type of rider in their respective groups. Racers, cruisers, scooters, tourers, off-roaders, etc. Ok, it might be hard to manage, but it would be very impressive to watch. People would really notice and talk about it. It would really bring home the fact of our solidarity.

(Actually, I'd hazard it'd be no harder to manage than the rally generally, and would keep the road use similar for each bike type - scoots would be slower, race bikes need more turning room, Harley riders need more room on either side for their beards to flap in the wind, etc)

**zjet** · 21st October 2009, 23:46

I think this is a great idea and feel the more the better, I,m currently on the looking for work poll atm so if you need help flick us a PM happy to help out as i have free time. I also have a spare bed in Kapiti if needed.

**Oxy** · 22nd October 2009, 06:29

If they do force the new ACC levies on us, then I would want to see an option to register my bike for weekends and public holidays only. I often ride my bike to work and park it where I can see it.. never get sick of looking at it, or riding it for that matter, but I would sacrifice the ride to work Mon to Fri (reluctantly) to keep my costs down.

The obvious best option is to scrap the ridiculous excess, but what are our chances? ... and no, I haven't given up the fight!

**nothingflash** · 22nd October 2009, 06:30

Originally Posted by Latch

Harley riders need more room on either side for their beards to flap in the wind, etc)

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**wingrider** · 22nd October 2009, 07:30

Originally Posted by Latch

No, I don't think we're pissy with ACC. The ACC is an absolutely brilliant institution and should be protected and supported. The ACC offices are full of ordinary peons earning their keep, so there's no value in protesting there. But Parliament, and the cretins who'd like to charge us for other people's poor driving? Absolutely, let's be as in their face within the law as we possibly can be.

We really need some leverage on this one - has anyone had an illicit affair with the ministers in question? That would be a help

I couldn't agree more with your points about ACC being a brilliant institution and about the general workers within ACC.
They are only doing their bosses bidding and I bet there are a few riders there. I do not want to piss them off.

What I am annoyed about is that an executive officer from ACC went to Nasty Nick with a report in hand that labeled every INDIVIDUAL RIDER of whatever two wheeled machine there is as the Bad Boys and Girls of society.
This report also contained statements that we have proven are without fact and are misleading.

Nick, without checking the validity of this report then chose to stick his face in front of a camera and tell the public that we are a burden on ACC.
I was appalled when a lawyer representing ACC and defending the increase makes a statement on national TV that "if we choose to belong to a minority group in todays society then we should expect to be charged more for doing so". His bias against motorcyclists was more than apparent.

Its not ACC as such that we need to vent our anger against, it is the senior officials that have allowed these misleading reports to be put before the public and therefor I consider those persons as fair game. Likewise Nick Smith as Minister for using these reports without confirming that they are correct in fact befor trying to put his crooked smile on TV.

lets make a noise at ACC HQ but target the individual not the institution.

**Azi Dahaka** · 22nd October 2009, 08:09

I know this may seem bad as per say but I signed up to this site because of all this acc crap.

Just venting here but when he (smith) says our accidents cost more and on average we cost less than num nuts on push bikes and even pedestrians. And that we are being charged more because this is a no fault organisation and then they go about and say we wont give acc assistance to criminals because it is there fault as per say the hypocrites just get to me.

So I will support a ride but after reading all persons posts on this thread I agree with the national over the local/regional view.
Even if we get several hundred bikes it won be the impact of several thousand. And as one person said who I forget people will see the first then the second and say big woop it has already been done.

I agree and understand the clubs like so many others on this site but I am happy their members will support any ride event though the club as per say wont.

**Jacknz** · 22nd October 2009, 08:15

I understand how important it is to organse the protest action so that as a group we can be listened too and taken seriously.

A large part of protesting on mass is the actually herding of cats part, having a consistent message that doesn't get diluted by noise and maintaining everyones interest.

I just wonder whether the focus on the Bikoi's is focusing everyone on an event or series of events is limiting an overall ground swell response.

I'm not saying the BIKOI's are a bad thing - I'll be there tonight.

We've got weeks to raise the profile of this issue in the public and politicians minds.

Every day we could be visibly protesting in a small unorganised way, by for example wearing something as we ride as a symbol of protest. And I know the t-shirts are coming - its still another 20 bucks though and not everyone would get 1.

so what about a "We're seeing Red - So wear something Red" type activity. If enough bikers tied something to their bikes (small flag like effect) and that started to grow over time that every bike you saw was passively protesting this way. the visibility of the protest would be every day not just for these Bikoi rides.

would be a great added effect to any major convoy of bikes as well.

just an idea.

**StoneY** · 22nd October 2009, 09:22

Hi all

To keep this meeting in order, I have decided on a few basic rules

7 PM sharp it starts

We KNOW this is unfair, we KNOW they lied, lets not waste precious planning time arguing what we know already

As coordinator I have final say on who gets speak/presentation time, no arguments have a VALID point to present PM me for a time slot and a basic line of what your point is -

I have arranged security with several big, sensible lads so hecklers, you WILL be hoofed out of there, no rabble rousing please

I intend to allow Mr Plod to present the Police line first, sets some basic expecttations we can then fit to with our plan

NO Alcohol in this meeting- have a beer after but NONE to be present in meeting room- NONE!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS

Genreal points for dicussion:

Timing
Plan of attack
BEHAVIOR while on this ride
Press
Spokesman- (what who why how) likely Kari but what do we have her present?

Once 'appointed presenters' have had thier say I will open the floor and welcome other speakers to have thier say
No ranting please, sane well presented argumants only
(I know im a hypocrite but tonight is important guys n gals)

**ukusa** · 22nd October 2009, 11:24

I'm sure us bikers can make a bigger impression than this
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...on-handed-over
Are there any biker MP's joining in?

**sinfull** · 22nd October 2009, 13:10

Originally Posted by StoneY

NO Alcohol in this meeting- have a beer after but NONE to be present in meeting room- NONE!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS

Let me know how it goes !

Originally Posted by StoneY

I have arranged security with several big, sensible lads so hecklers, you WILL be hoofed out of there, no rabble rousing please

Allmost tempted me !!!

Arrange a meeting at a pub and then say no booze !
May as well take me to a whore house and tell me we're window shopping !

**Bald Eagle** · 22nd October 2009, 13:13

Originally Posted by sinfull

Let me know how it goes !

Allmost tempted me !!!

Arrange a meeting at a pub and then say no booze !
May as well take me to a whore house and tell me we're window shopping !

I'll have one of those double hung windows then can I can I please ??