ACC privatisation no good

**Winston001** · 17th October 2009, 22:07

Just a short note. I remember when ACC was privatised in 1998. The Australian insurance company our business insured with went into liquidation in 2001. I have no idea what happened to the existing claims but guess they were all handed to ACC. Fortunately by then ACC was compulsory and back on track.

The calls here on many threads for privatisation are understandable but ill-considered. Insurance companies only exist if they can make a profit. They must do so for their banks and shareholders.

No insurance company deliberately creates a loss-leader like motorcyclists. There is no political or economic benefit in being kind to a small group - unless our MPs all start riding bikes.

ACC does not exist to make a profit. That may mean it's a bit generous sometimes but we benefit. I'd much rather have that than an insurance assessor checking every few days and suddenly ruling off your compensation.

**McJim** · 17th October 2009, 22:08

And you won't change your tune once the neck brace comes off?

**Winston001** · 17th October 2009, 22:51

Originally Posted by McJim

And you won't change your tune once the neck brace comes off?

Yer a cruel cruel mannie.....

**Bend-it** · 17th October 2009, 22:57

The same could be said for existing bike insurance... but insurance companies still do it, and there are even specialist bike insurers who do good deals for bikers...

I suppose with bikes, there is a maximum amount the insurer is liable for... whereas paying for an injury could mean just about any amount... hmmm... True that...

So ACC might be better to us because it has public funds to draw from in case levies are not enough? But where do public funds come from? Us!

**motorbyclist** · 17th October 2009, 23:08

Originally Posted by Bend-it

So ACC might be better to us because it has public funds to draw from in case levies are not enough? But where do public funds come from? Us!

ACC is better in theory because they act in our best interests, not their best interests - and if the shit hits the fan like it just has we're able to actually do something about it (in theory)

**wingrider** · 18th October 2009, 07:19

Hi from a new member.

has anyone read the story on stuffs front page re ACC hidden Agenda?

This is going to impact on everyone.

**Quasi** · 18th October 2009, 07:21

Originally Posted by wingrider

Hi from a new member.

has anyone read the story on stuffs front page re ACC hidden Agenda?

This is going to impact on everyone.

Thanks WR - can you post a link. I can't find. Cheers

Found!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2975...ll-victims-100

**Nasty** · 18th October 2009, 07:27

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2975...ll-victims-100

From this mornings stuff ... definately trying to see if they can behave like an insurance company - excess etc.

**testastretta** · 18th October 2009, 07:31

While motorcyclists as a group should be against privatization as it wil cost the majority more for medical/income insurance than the proposed levies,those with multiple bikes would most likely be better off as they would be covering themselves for the risk of being on the road not for each individual bike.
Either way,when National sacked the previous ACC board and installed their own cronies they clearly gave them directions to target motorcyclists,make ACC look broken and to prepare for eventual privatization.

**wingrider** · 18th October 2009, 07:42

The proposed changes are also affecting numerous other groups.
A march is organized for tomorrow from victim support and other affected groups. Perhaps we could offer our support.

Farmers are facing a 70% increase.

Perhaps we need to be outspoken in support for these groups as well and invite support from them to our plight.

Phil Goff is also a rider.
Invite him to the rally.

Many Police Officers are also weekend riders and I know of several who are up in arms.

What about contacting your local Opposition MP and offering him/her a seat on the back?

Whilst I agree that a thousand bikes is going to get attention, imagine if we can also get farmers and other affected parties to join in with us.

Many of the ideas posted here are of great value and show that we are not a bunch of hoons. Share our concerns and ideas and I believe we will get a lot of non-riders on our side.

The greater the crowd the greater the impact.

Many people are also writing to their local national MP advising of the fallout should they allow their Minister to proceed. I bet a few of them are looking down the barrel come the next election.

If ever there was a time for us ALL to show consideration to all members of the public then it's NOW.
Dont do anything to bring attention to ourselves for the wrong reasons.

**Pedrostt500** · 18th October 2009, 07:44

Originally Posted by Quasi

Thanks WR - can you post a link. I can't find. Cheers

Found!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2975...ll-victims-100

Good Artical but should be dicussed in another thread, as it may side track this thread.

**Pedrostt500** · 18th October 2009, 07:55

Ok Who, What, When and Where, for a face to face meet up to start figuring out, some of our game plan.

**Indiana_Jones** · 18th October 2009, 08:01

ACC isn't fair from what I can see.

My old man is having a hernia operation in a couple of months. ACC won't pay him a cent as he can't give a date when he got the injury. Regardless that he pays around $5000 pa to ACC.

Also his mate wanted ACC and pays around the same, when he asked what he was entitled to, they said "Well since you earn a decent wage, $60 a week" they figured if you earn money you must be able to look after yourself. >_<

At the end of the day it'd be nice to have the choice, it's not like ACC is saying you can pay us $900 a year if you want this cover, but more like, you HAVE to pay for this cover even if you don't want it.

-Indy

**Pixie** · 18th October 2009, 08:30

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

ACC is better in theory because they act in our best interests, not their best interests - and if the shit hits the fan like it just has we're able to actually do something about it (in theory)

What fucken bullshit.These civil servant wankers like nothing more than building their empires with our money and then sponsoring stupid ads on the TV and crap like the Pacifica festival