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Life is a like a box of chocolates; People are like Onions; The key to success is.......
Fuck it, let's ride!
Come warm yourself by the fire
I like thisOriginally Posted by bo-nz
Come warm yourself by the fire
I like this too
Come warm yourself by the fire
errrr I don't.
Bugger that too many dangerous stuff out there. I keep it in the bush.
Last time i checked MotoX'rs dont pay ACC. So why should mountainbikers?
However I do feel that ALL ROAD USERS SHOULD USE THE SAME RULES!
L-Plate Rider
And coming from a so-called intellectual socialist
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Perhaps you should go back to school and take "Logical Arguments 101" ... it may give you some credibility in future "discussions".
And it is you that perhaps should go back to whatever country you came from. It seems obvious by your posts to date, that English is your second language.
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
Forum whore
(...et al)
So what? There's a few around here.
This is the whole reason motorcyclists have been done before. You fuckers can't get your shit together, if you're not blaming cyclists or cagers for something, then it's pointing the finger at power ranger suit wearing sprotbikers (sic), geriatric born again bikers on their chrome cruisers, menacing motoretards, sissy scooterers, poo-stained mud flingers, loser learners or boring skill-less cruiser riders.
Get a fucking grip.
Smarty pants... since ages ago
But ... but ... thats what we do .... can't be our fault ....
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
L-Plate Rider
I have copied this from this from the following thread: Common reply from MPs (I have highlighted the important bits):
"I have mailed a number of MPs and it would seem they are giving a generic reply that looks somewhat like this:
"Proposed changes to motorcycle levies
The National-led Government is determined to preserve and protect our 24/7,
no-fault accident insurance scheme.
ACC is facing some real challenges. Its liabilities have ballooned to almost $24 billion – $13 billion more than its assets. This is unsustainable and unaffordable.
In 2008/09, ACC paid more than $62 million to motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies.
The incidence, severity and cost of motorcycle crash injuries are not reflected in current levies. The cost of injuries in motorcycle crashes is about four times higher than injuries in other motor vehicle crashes.
To help make up this difference the ACC Board has proposed a reclassification and an increase to the motorcycle levies. Even with the proposed increase in levies other motor vehicle owners will continue to pay $77 each to cross-subsidise motorcyclists.
We want to have an open and honest conversation with the public as to how they want us to fund the shortfall. If the shortfall is not funded through an increase to motorcycle levies, it will have to be funded from somewhere else.
The proposed increases are currently open to public consultation. We encourage motorcyclists and other motorists to have their say on this issue by making submissions to ACC by 5PM, 10 November.
Following public consultation, the Government will receive advice from the ACC Board and make a final decision.
To have your say on the proposals go to www.acc.co.nz/consultation"
It is obvious that National have no intention of selling off the ACC (at this stage anyway) so I strongly suggest people email the ACC and have them make cyclists pay their share. The more they hear this message, the more it will resinate
Scotsman on a German
If we were taxed properly it could fund the hospitals.
If the hospitals were properly funded we wouldn't need to pay for treatment.
If we didn't need to pay for treatment then ACC certainly wouldn't have to pay on our behalf.
If we had a proper national assurance scheme to cover loss of earnings we could have a decent back up for losing our job due to injury.
This way we wouldn't need health insurance, ACC or the ability to sue for damages.
It also means we could stop going around finger pointing. Persuading the Govt to charge cyclists, horesriders, rugby players etc doesn't mean they'll leave motorcycles alone - it just means they'll charge the others too. And we'll still have the $750 ACC levy on large capacity bikes to fund the 250cc learners that keep binning.
In space, no one can smell your fart.
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There is a great article that I read in the October NZ Listener at work,
heres a couple of links:
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3623...ous_cycle.html
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3623...sh_course.html
(It doesn't have the full article but still worth the read.)
L-Plate Rider
Motorcycling is not only an economical form of travel with a lower environmental and urban profile, but a SPORT, at least according to ACC, who list it in their Section 20 Sport Claims list, in the ACC injury statistics of 2008.
This list tells us Motorcycling accidents cost the country $7.227 million dollars in 2007.
It also tells us:-
- Cycling cost us $10.447 million
- Horse Riding $ 9.14 million
- Netball $11.496 million
- Swimming $10.055 million
- Soccer $14.156 million
- Skiing $ 8.004 million
- Motocross & Dirt Biking $ 8.17 million
- Rugby Union $40.041 million
- Rugby League $10.648 million
Should Motorcycling be unique in being the only recreational activity in NZ to be asked to fund itself through exhorbitant fees just because it's functional aspect makes it liable for registration costs from which extraction of fees is relatively easy?
Should Motorcycling be targeted as an especially dangerous activity that needs discouraging by punitive charges, even though a large number of recreational activities in NZ are statistically more dangerous but that have no useful and therefore taxable component?
Should vehicles that use less resource, generate less CO2 and use less space on the road and in parking be actively discouraged?
Should motorcycling be penalised for a monstrous cost blow-out in the ACC, $4.18 Billion in, $23.78Billion Out.
(ACC Annual Report 2009)
The repeated assertion that cars are subsidising motorcycling is a red herring that masks the entire ACC Motor Vehicle Account cost blowout of $6.845 Billion claims against a net levy revenue of $739 Million, of which motorcycling is only a miniscule fraction.
If Motorcycling is not being scapegoated why is car registration not being increased pro rata for it's lack of levy income to cover it's proportionately higher percentage of the Motor Vehicle Account Funding shortfall?
Has the private outsourcing for accident care helped to contribute to this cost blowout?
Also from the ACC Annual Report of 2009
"The past year has seen a further increase in the risk premiums that investors have required for risky investments such as equities"
"...all significant developed equity markets again produced negative returns during 2008-2009."
"... a significant portion of ACC's reserves portfolios are invested in equity markets."
"ACC's reserves portfolios delivered an average return of 3.2% over the year.
While this result is significantly above our market benchmarks, it is slightly below the return that could have been achieved from low risk fixed interest investments over the year."
Does gambling with Tax payer money (particularly using opaque financial instruments) seem like a reasonable practice?
Does it seem reasonable that 259 staff members of ACC are on six figure salaries and divide $145.65 million dollars between themselves in wages while bringing about a 568% gap between income and costs that would would send any private concern incompetent enough to oversee such a cost blow into insolvency?
Thank you for your time.
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