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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfull View Post
    Were all forgetting the fact that all off road motorcycles, quads etc are included in the figures they use !

    Does anyone know where the stats are that can have them taken out of the equation ?
    Bet that would make things look bloody good for an argument !
    I'm not so sure they are in the equation currently, some misrecorded ones will surely be in there, but i think the majority of off road accidents can/are filtered out by the location of the incident.
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    You've all missed the point

    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    ACC reckons a motorcyclist is 16 times as likely to be in an accident as a car driver etc etc.

    How do they find this? Divide claims by number of rego'd bikes?

    what about all riders with more than one bike?

    what about all the farm/dirtbike stats?
    If you look at ACC's own stats you see that 98% plus of all claims had absolutely nothing to do with road-users! So why are we being penalised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    The Bailey report would be interesting.
    I'll try to see if I can get the copier to scan it in for me - it's 73 pages, so I guess it'll be an email... PM me with your address and I'll try to pass it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    I'm not so sure they are in the equation currently, some misrecorded ones will surely be in there, but i think the majority of off road accidents can/are filtered out by the location of the incident.
    no.

    just no.

    having filled out several dirtbike related ACC forms while a mate is getting stitches, it's considered a motorcycle accident with no further investigation as to capacity or type

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    Roads kill
    The more time you spend on the road the bigger the risk of getting involved in an accident.....

    The average driver spends 280 hrs per year driving...
    the average biker spends only 44 hrs per year riding....

    Therefor cagers are 6x as long in the dangerzone,
    and therefor are 6x as much at risk
    Thus our ACC levy should only be 1/6th of car levy....

    10 out of 1 that i'm right....

    Actualy you should be able to get a discount for getting out of the dangerzone even faster.....
    bit of speeding would decrease exposure.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by awayatc View Post
    Roads kill
    The more time you spend on the road the bigger the risk of getting involved in an accident.....

    The average driver spends 280 hrs per year driving...
    the average biker spends only 44 hrs per year riding....

    Therefor cagers are 6x as long in the dangerzone,
    and therefor are 6x as much at risk
    Thus our ACC levy should only be 1/6th of car levy....

    10 out of 1 that i'm right....
    Don't you just love statistics

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    no.

    just no.

    having filled out several dirtbike related ACC forms while a mate is getting stitches, it's considered a motorcycle accident with no further investigation as to capacity or type
    hmmm, all my dirtbike accidents I've had to put down the location (farm, road etc), I just assumed they would be able to weed them out that way. Then again, being able to does not mean that they bother to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    hmmm, all my dirtbike accidents I've had to put down the location (farm, road etc), I just assumed they would be able to weed them out that way. Then again, being able to does not mean that they bother to do so.
    really? police ask for location....

    maybe it's a regional thing (21 DHBs and all...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    really? police ask for location....

    maybe it's a regional thing (21 DHBs and all...)
    nah not the po-po, its a little field on the acc form, least im pretty sure it was the acc form and not a local doctors one. Though i did have a concussion last time i went so cud be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    nah not the po-po, its a little field on the acc form, least im pretty sure it was the acc form and not a local doctors one. Though i did have a concussion last time i went so cud be wrong.
    IIRC the last ACC form I filled out specifically asked if the accident occured with a road registered vehicle on a public road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awayatc View Post
    Roads kill
    Not true - most ACC claims are for accidents around the home. I think we should all threaten to stay home and use power tools and climb ladders if we don't go out for a ride on a motorbike!

    Has anyone noticed that it already costs $250 per year in ACC levies to have a registered motorcycle, but nothing for a ladder? You don't have to wear a helmet on a ladder either! When you buy a circular saw there is no ACC levy either - you don't pay based on risk, you pay based on whether you have a motorcycle or not!
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