Answer from the AA - new stats?

[Reckless]

The problem is they then use the full 100% figures in the dollar calculations on the bottom table - the one giving the $259M cost figure - IT IS 42% OUT.[/B] .. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...5&postcount=23-

So in essence the AA are staking their reputation on flawed Govt and ACC Figures!

Looks like its a big risk for their Highly valued "Trust me" reputation its taken them years and years to build!!

[Fatjim]

That 60/40 was not for all motorcycle accidents. It was only the split of the multiple vehicle accidents. It was not including the single vehicle motorcycle accidents on top of that. All that is saying is that when motorcycles have accidents with cars, it is cars that are to blame in 60% of them.


When you count all motorcycle accident, (single vehicle and multiple vehicle) car drivers are certainly not responsible for most motorcycle accidents.

We haven't see n the car stats have we.

We would have.

Single car
Car vs Car
Car vs bike.

I wonder in how many of those 100's of thousands of accidents motorcyles are to blame for.

I would say less than 2%!!

See, you can twist stats any way you want.

One way says bikes are responsible for 60% of their accidents.

The other say cars are responsible for 98% of their accidents.

[MarkH]

Semi twisted statement there... to clarify, this is the version given by the 2008 MoT crash factsheet (uses 2007 data):

Single Vehicle Rider at fault: 26%
Multi-vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi-vehicle no rider fault id'd: 39%
Multi-vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Single Vehicle no ride fault id'd: 3%

So the way I interpret this - of all the motorcycle accidents 39% of them are due to an 'at fault' car (or van or whatever) driver. So surely that fact alone is enough to justify the car drivers subsidising the cost of motorcycle ACC claims - i.e. 39% of the motorcycle ACC costs should be paid for from the money collected from car rego ACC levies.

I would be confident that the ACC claims from car drivers would not feature any significant amount that was due to motorcycle riders. We rarely injure car drivers (even on accidents where the motorcyclist was at fault) while they often injure us.

Personally I have never in my life made an ACC claim for any kind of vehicle related injury and yet they want to double* my levy for my 400cc scooter - I am not happy about that at all.

* That would be double the current levy, which already went up significantly compared to last year.