Injustice.. help?

**Patrick** · 28th October 2009, 11:12

Originally Posted by discotex

As for the 250m guideline I was within that when officer A pulled me up. Officer B was stationed well down the road. Perhaps worth mentioning in any letter though..

Sure is. It might not be "law," but it is "policy." (With the exceptions... but not at that time of night...)

Yeah I don't really want to go in and waste everyone's time fighting it if they'll just amend the speed.

That said he did write "car" as the type of vehicle on the ticket so what else could he have got wrong?

minor Admin error only. But worth a mention in ya letter.....

Any idea if I can write in and still later defend it in court? Kinda seems like an either or situation.

Write in. It might be canned. Nothing to lose, plenty to gain....

Originally Posted by MSTRS

It can be both. First, you write in. Cop to the lower speed (perhaps) but contest the rest of it. Include the 'car' reference - it goes to believeability.
Their response letter will be the decider. If it tells you they are proceeding, then you go to court.
Thought you'd know that?

Motorbike slowing past a speed change sign, into a slower area, within 250 metres of the sign. Pursuing cop car going much faster to catch up to the slowing down bike will give a stronger (and "faster") radar signal than the slowing bike. Told you were caught doing 72, ticketed for 80...???

Start writing......

[QUOTE=discotex;1129483240]It seemed to me that admitting to the speeding but not the speed could be considered an admission of guilt.. Just don't want to risk it./QUOTE]

Can also show an honesty.... along with the points above....

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th October 2009, 11:19

Good points, Patrick. And ones that 'should' have resulted in a warning roadside. A reasonable cop would have done that. But this one has put it into the system, and it's my guess that it's a done deal now.
Yours truly
Cynical

**Patrick** · 28th October 2009, 11:56

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Good points, Patrick. And ones that 'should' have resulted in a warning roadside. A reasonable cop would have done that. But this one has put it into the system, and it's my guess that it's a done deal now.
Yours truly
Cynical

Nah.

The moment a ticket is written, it's in the system....

Vast majority are "fair cop, guv, yer got me..."

Some are KB members.....

Some are just wrong.

The wrong ones stand out and get canned.

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th October 2009, 12:22

Originally Posted by Patrick

Nah.

The moment a ticket is written, it's in the system....

Vast majority are "fair cop, guv, yer got me..."

Some are KB members.....

Some are just wrong.

The wrong ones stand out and get canned.

Yep. As is one of the 'written warning' variety. Had one of those myself, a year or 19 ago...
A reasonable cop might have indulged in a little finger shaking and stern parent lecture, then sent the 'victim' on his way. That would only be in the officer's notes?

**Patrick** · 28th October 2009, 15:02

Originally Posted by MSTRS

That would only be in the officer's notes?

Nah. Time, Rego, K4 for xxxx..... if that.....

**peasea** · 29th October 2009, 19:05

Originally Posted by discotex

Bear in mind this was like 11pm at night on a weekday. The only other vehicles on the road were the police involved.

There I was pootling along and a cop A (unmarked) pulls out behind me and starts to pull me over - fair cop I'm thinking at this stage.. I was a little over the speed limit after not slowing instantly down from an 80k zone. I was under 70km/h and probably doing 65.

As I'm slowing down I go past cop B as well. I pull over into a side street just past cop B (highway patrol)..

I get off the bike and start talking to cop A. Cop B turns on the disco lights and comes over as well. He then tells the younger cop A "I've got this one mate" so cop A gets back in his car and leaves.

Cop B then gives me the reaming for as speed I wasn't doing. Originally he claimed I was doing 72 or 73 but then wrote a ticket for 80km/h.

My guess is cop B had the rear radar on Cop A coming up behind me by mistake as he would obviously have been going faster. Or somehow he's got me way up the road in the 80km/h area. I dunno but he clearly though he was right and I was a danger to society.

Is there a way I can get hold of the reading from the original guy who pulled me over? Cop A's reading should be higher than cop B by heaps if cop B is to be believed. I expect it would match my version of events.

I'm happy to pay and take the points for what I was doing (~65km/h) but greater than 20km/h over is arse.

What's the best way to argue the case to fine me for the correct speed? (I don't actually care about getting off I just want the appropriate fine and points for what I did).

Any suggestions (via PM if you prefer) from lawyers or KB bike cops would be appreciated.

Just plead not guilty, go to court and have your say.

What you should have done was; whack yourself about the head furiously with a sockful of snooker balls, slip down to A&E, get the injuries photographed, make a complaint, drag the cops through the PCA, get the media involved, pay for 'witnesses' to back up your story and see if you can't ruin the cops' lives.

Fuck, I would.

**mnkyboy** · 30th October 2009, 08:16

Originally Posted by peasea

Just plead not guilty, go to court and have your say.

What you should have done was; whack yourself about the head furiously with a sockful of snooker balls, slip down to A&E, get the injuries photographed, make a complaint, drag the cops through the PCA, get the media involved, pay for 'witnesses' to back up your story and see if you can't ruin the cops' lives.

Fuck, I would.

I had to laugh

Is our system that fucked? Or just individuals?

**scumdog** · 30th October 2009, 09:38

Originally Posted by mnkyboy

I had to laugh

Is our system that fucked? Or just individuals?

Depends who you ask.

**Kickaha** · 30th October 2009, 17:10

Originally Posted by mnkyboy

I had to laugh

Is our system that fucked? Or just individuals?

Just peasea

**peasea** · 30th October 2009, 17:26

Originally Posted by mnkyboy

I had to laugh

Is our system that fucked? Or just individuals?

Well Scummy's probably right, depends on who you ask; and the fact that there's some truth in what he says is irony in blue.

Fell off me chair I did.

**peasea** · 30th October 2009, 17:26

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Just peasea

Untrue.

There was this other bloke once who..........

**caseye** · 30th October 2009, 20:07

Write in! wait for their response, see what they say.
If they say it stands, you plead "Not bloody Guilty" Me laud.
It goes to trial you should get a Magistrate not a bloody silly wet behind the ears JP and then tell em it was not you in that car, if that doesnt work do what Patrick said, explain it to the Judge/magistrate horror of horrors JP and take your chances.
Theres no harm in going all the way with this one, worst case scenario you lose, have to pay a fine and cop demerits.
Best case , the Lazy barstard who took the first coppers quota gets a rocket for slack Police work/T.O.ing and dodgy ticketing practise and you get to ride home with a bloody great big smile on yer dial.
Go for it.

**davereid** · 31st October 2009, 06:22

As others have pointed out, its very likely that the radar was reporting the other patrol cars speed.

The cop who wrote you the ticket would have sincerely believed the figure on the screen, they are very confidence inspiring devices !

More experienced cops, have had enough "hello, that doesnt seem right.. tap the unit on the side" type experiences, and tend to view the radar more cautiously.

It always worth taking it to court, if you are not guilty. Thats what its there for.

**bsasuper** · 31st October 2009, 06:44

I always turn a police stop into a episode of CSI, keep the copper answering questions(make them serious questions, dont take the piss), and camera out taking snaps of the road from all angles, notepad out taking down all answers(copper will think this strange).Would have been best for you to do this with both cops, and drawn a picture to show what a fuck up it is.