A thought re 600cc bikes.

[Vern]

Hey if they want to use engine size for us why not on cars as well.I see it the same way a little 1300 Corolla or a Club Sport Holden or a Tickford Falcon is it, boy big difference in power. Vern

[rocketman1]

ACC have only mentioned this cc rating to get feedback, dont be fooled they have no idea that most GSXR600 cc bikes etc, are the fasted bikes between two given points in most situations in NZ
If you wanted to hold a race around the Coro loop, I would put my money on a 600cc sports bike.
They are incredibly fast and can outhandle the bigger guys.
They are they way to go in future.
Look at Europe because of the insurance costs, 600cc are the sensible bike to buy..
Having said this I dont see why you should crash less on a 600 than a 1000.
As long as ACC is fooled who cares.
There must be some logic to it that Im not aware of.

[Paul in NZ]

How do you think I feel about my 1980 850cc Moto Guzzi or a 1970 650cc Triumph...

These guys (ACC) are mad....

[pete376403]

At 37 KW (49 hp) of even worse, the Kawa KLR650, even less power!!
The value of my BMW F650CS must have plummeted!
Great time to be buying!

Looking on E-Bay for a KLR600 cylinder. Put it on, get the bike re-vinned as a 600, then put the 650 barrel back on but with a Schnitz Racing 705 kit in.
Does the bike have to be running to get vinned? If not, i wouldn't bother getting it running as a 600 - put the barrel on, push it to VTNZ, get the paperwork and push it back home again.

[McJim]

How do you think I feel about my 1980 850cc Moto Guzzi or a 1970 650cc Triumph...

These guys (ACC) are mad....

By the time these levies actually hit your 1970 Trumpy will be officially an antique so will not be levied with the ACC crap.

[swbarnett]

Far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When I lived in Oz I was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so I have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,I'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,I just don't see the issue.

The issue is not the money. It's the fact that motorcyclists are being singled out for a punch in the face when the whole scheme is supposed to be funded EVENLY accross the entire population.

[Paul in NZ]

By the time these levies actually hit your 1970 Trumpy will be officially an antique so will not be levied with the ACC crap.

Yeah but how many 70's T140s are in the same boat and how does a 1980 Moto Guzzi even compare to a GSXR600?

[davebullet]

Agreed.

They should make it license based... as I can only drive / ride one of my vehicles at a time but NOOOOO... that smacks of common sense.

So they decide my 74hp (at the crank and brand new out of the factory) 5 year old SV650 (which has probably lost a few ponies, so older bikes should be cheaper ayway) is safer than my mates 129hp R6.

[nico]

I'm just "joe lunchbox" too and i'm taking it VERY seriously. Rego and insurance on the Duc alone is over $1400 without the DR or the bloody car!!

I guess my lunchbox is a bit smaller than yours

I DOUBLE THAT ill say again who else is puting there rego on hold and not stopn 4 plod then mr acc wont get any thing will he

gready cunts

[vifferman]

Hmmmm... can I re-register my bike as an RC46 instead of a VFR800?
That would make it a moped, right?

I haven't actually had the displacement certified anyway - it might be 581cc instead of 781...

[SPman]

Fuck Australia. What they pay has about as much to do with it as what they have on their sandwhiches.

Unless you live there............if these rates go through......we'll be able to rego 4 bikes, a van and a car here, for less than 2 bikes there ......the insurance is about the same....

[JohnC]

I DOUBLE THAT ill say again who else is puting there rego on hold and not stopn 4 plod then mr acc wont get any thing will he

gready cunts

Nope I ride a 20 year old bike I scratched togeather from a wreck plus parts bought off Trade me,I make $35,000 a year,support my family on my wage alone,have a 12 month budget I stick to like religion,will own my home free hold in only another 12 years,,I'm bloody rich as mate.
So I think I'll just carry on reguardless,,and I'd never run from the cops either,,that would just ruin my budget.
The injustice of it all ?,,,well I live in NZ aye,it's really not so bad here.

[Nibblet]

the honda bros 650 springs to mind, 57hp i think, some 250s have more power than that!

Just another way for the gubbermint to easily target people, engine size is already recorde all they have to do is say, oi you, give us more money. How much would it cost to record the hp for make/model/year? one person surfing the net @ 50k a year would do it i'd imagine!

Problem is just because it came from the factory at said specs doesn't mean it still is. Take my 250cc NSR, factory restricted to 45hp, unplug one cable and is now in the 60's, same region as my old mans 850 Eldorado.

ACC's CC rating has nothing to do with safety, its just another means in which to rake in more money in a short period of time to try and bridge this apparent epic debt.

[Grin-T]

Good bye Street Triple 675...

[dpex]

Given all thats happening with ACC levvies I suspect theres going to be a bunch of riders looking REALLY close at their bikes engine capacity.
Given that its 600cc and over bikes getting the biggest hike.
GSXR599/CBR598 anyone??
For those of ya not making sense of my ramblings MOST 600cc bikes have their GENUINE engine capacity clearly stated. Most of em displace less than 600cc

Frosty. That's fucking brilliant.

Well done Frosty.

Now that's a great headache to be created.

For the moment let's assume that I, for example, can show my bike is actually 598ccs. I go into the Post office to reregister and note the 'fault' on the 'current' rego data asserting my bike is 600ccs (of pure grunt, may I add).

The dumb broad behind the counter squalks, 'No Sir. It says here 600.'

'Sorry dear. See this spec-sheet? It says 598ccs. See it says this bike....my bike...is 598 ccs.'

Stay with me here, people. This is fantastic protest point.

Imagine. You're in the Post-shop teller's face. You say one thing, her records say another. Folk behind are getting pissed at having to wait. You're holding up the traffic. You have, clutched in your resolute hand, a spec sheet which asserts your bike is 598ccs.

You ain't moving till the manager comes out. The teller flees. Out comes the manager. He'll be (probably) an Indian making a shit-load of dosh, facing a growing line of pissed customers.

What are his options? Hold the 600cc party line? Nup. That won't work because you are also holding the 598cc line...his line. His dollars.

To an Indian, losing dollars is worse than being beaten to death with a ham.

Don't get me wrong here. I admire Indians for their work ethic and smarts.

But he has a problem. You with your specs and him with his computer records and a growing line of annoyed money givers.

What does he do? Concede? Maybe. Ask you to come back later? Probably.

But he doesn't concede because he can't, and you won't come back later.

Next step?

He's off for a conflab with some authority.

'Good morning Sir. I'm am having some terrible troubles with a man who says his bike is just 598 ccs' and on he goes.

The putz at the other end of the line has no idea what he's on about.

Half an hour later the Indian manager, having watched God knows how many dollars annoyingly walk away, and him getting close to a heart attack on the strength of it, might just concede.

Probably not. So you concede. The manager sighs with relief.

But his relief is short-lived, you see, because the next guy in line is your biker mate. And around it goes again.

Three bikers per small Post Shop could bring the place to a standstill for the day. Ten bikers per any post shop, all on the same day (they all communicate) would cause mayhem.

And believe me, there is no greater source of misery and therefore reaction than an Indian business owner being dicked out of one cent, much less hundreds of dollars of unearned, while you stand there holding up the queue.

Frosty! That's pure fucking brilliance.

Here's a way to involve the ordinary man in the street in our plight.

Hold up the queues. Piss off the Indian managers. Get in everyone's face.

While you're there waiting, you can turn and give a speech to the gathered throng. Tell them about how they, as car drivers, are being ripped off with ACC levies. Remember. One fifth of one percent of all ACC claims came from ALL registered road users.

And so easy to do.

But here's the great bit. We can all do this right now, BEFORE try to up the prices.

Believe me, if 100 bikers visited a Post-Shop owned by an Indian, tomorrow, by the day after the system would be screaming in the background.''Indians losing money are a great ally."

But it takes some bikers to go in there and create a scene.

You up for it, or are you a couch commentator?

Me? I'm up for it....if for no other reason than to watch the Indian spew.

Tell us, Frosty. Where do I get the spec for 598ccs?

Answer that and I'll be down there doing this rerego tomorrow. And then I shall report back on the results.