Not allowed to hand out BikersAgainstACCLevies pamphlet at CHCH Biketoberfest

[Big Dave]

Again...sorry for the long-winded post)

Man what a paragon of patience.

I woulda told 'em to fuck off and mind their own business by now.

[Pixie]

I can relate to the aspect that you did not want to "blast" the public with more paper - but that does not mean that you could not have put it on a table someone for people to collect.
It does sound suspiciously like you were looking after you "benefactors".
How does ACC fit with your event?

-Stewart Farr

's'funny.........You go to you bike after a race meeting and you have to dig it out from under a pile of paper the "industry" has tried to bury it with.......

[Pixie]

We collectively decided that while ACC levies would likely be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and last topic of conversation for motorcyclists on the day, and while we strongly encourage motorcyclists to make their individual ACC submissions we created the event to celebrate motorcycling and to promote a positive image for motorcycling amongst the 99% non-riding community.

You delude yourself if you think that submissions alone will be sufficient to stop the hikes.
If they go ahead,you can kiss any hope of attracting any of the 99% non-riding community to bikes.

[Pixie]

Veil of anonymity. I'm presuming.

No,Vale of Animinty is a magical valley,populated by cute little,minty flavoured animals.

[Big Dave]

You delude yourself if you think that submissions alone will be sufficient to stop the hikes.
If they go ahead,you can kiss any hope of attracting any of the 99% non-riding community to bikes.

I don't think there is any argument that the levy increases will have a detrimental effect on the industry.

Reports of its death are premature.

Attached is what Compulsory insurance in NSW costs for a clean skin, 50 year old man on a dual sport.

Work it out on a squid if you like:
http://prices.maa.nsw.gov.au/index.html

Why I am ardently fighting against it is because it is discrimination.

One group of people being singled out to account for their costs while others in the community get a free pass. In a no-fault system.

[lakedaemonian]

After re-reading the whole thread, I can see your problem - and unfortunately it seems to be a personal one that you alone has to manage.
You have proved my assumption that you are a good guy deep down, but unfortunately its not what you say that will get you flamed in the public eye (even worse here), its what you don't say.
I actually assumed from the word go that the original poster had their nickers in a twist - due to not being allowed to be a wedding crasher.
I also would find it difficult to allow him to give out anti-ACC in my ACC event. In fact if someone did try and do something like that - I would be downright pissed off.
But the annoying thing here was - YOU DIDN'T SPEAK YOUR MIND.

I have already spoken my mind (and got flamed for it) about how pissed off I am about ACC's misappropriations of funds. But this is aimed at ACC not you (in fact for organising an event of any calibre i think you need an award!).

So speak your mind - If you don't like sods giving out flyers on your event, say so.......I fricken hate people giving me annoying bits of paper all the time. Even if its anti-ACC its still as usefull as a "free gym membership" or "Jesus saves" propaganda i get every day.

I guess from my perspective it was a bit of a gamble to overtly dive in here on this thread.

And I have to admit it's still a bit challenging to show ALL my "cards" so to speak, in terms of my personal opinion.

From just another motorcyclist's perspective it's easy...and I have been doing so assertively with other motorcyclists since the news broke.

From the perspective of a dealer it's a question of weighing what impact my written word(as well as unseen action) will have on my customers and the livelihoods of my staff, and the downstream effects on their families as well as my own.

I hope that doesn't come across as some "holier than thou" attitude or portray me as a want to me martyr......but it's pretty obvious that a motorcyclist who happens to be a dealer appears to be put under a good bit more scrutiny at times than an anonymous motorcylist.

If I was TOO wary of potentially having my every word dissected after the verbal bullets have left the barrel I appologize for it taking so bloody long.......but just sticking my neck out 100% at first, rather than feeling my way through this thread had some real risks based on the initial kneejerk responses.

I'm quite appreciative of the fair shake I have received from a good number of folks here and it has increased my comfort level a good bit.

Cheers...

[lakedaemonian]

You delude yourself if you think that submissions alone will be sufficient to stop the hikes.
If they go ahead,you can kiss any hope of attracting any of the 99% non-riding community to bikes.

I don't believe I posted that I think the ONLY means of attacking this problem is via submissions.

There are a wide variety of ways to attempt to crack this nut as one size most certainly doesn't fit all....hence the many pages to get us to here.

I agree that the higher the ACC levy the greater the risk of a negative impact on sales.

Even though it is probably not in my best interest commercially to say so....I would prefer a levy that is fair which represents our community paying it's own way without subsidy from or towards others who are, or will be, faced with the same impact on their lifestyle.

[Pixie]

Even though it is probably not in my best interest commercially to say so....I would prefer a levy that is fair which represents our community paying it's own way without subsidy from or towards others who are, or will be, faced with the same impact on their lifestyle.

The original concept of ACC was that society as a whole shared the cost.
If user pays is to be advocated,then we want the right to sue to recover our costs.

[Hawkeye]

the original concept of acc was that society as a whole shared the cost.
If user pays is to be advocated,then we want the right to sue to recover our costs.

+1.........

[Rhubarb]

What's happened to CHCH_ZED ???

He 'lit the fuse' but appears to have run away !!!

Meanwhile, LAKEDAEMONIAN has fronted up to everyones scrutiny.

Come one CHCH_ZED, tell us the rest of your side.
One 7 line post isn't enough given the crap that has been thrown at LAKEDAEMONIAN.

[peasea]

I would prefer a levy that is fair which represents our community paying it's own way without subsidy from or towards others who are, or will be, faced with the same impact on their lifestyle.

Me too, so when do we start levying clumsy pedestrians and wayward cyclists? (Did you see those nutters on TV last night, weaving in and out of traffic and riding on the wrong side of the road?)

Oh, and let's not forget rugby players and other sports junkies, the list is endless.

[Winston001]

The original concept of ACC was that society as a whole shared the cost.
If user pays is to be advocated,then we want the right to sue to recover our costs.

Sort of but not exactly. High risk occupations have always paid more ACC. Cars used to pay more ACC than bikes.

There's no "user pays" going on here, just an attempt to rebalance the risk profile. I don't agree with it but can understand the argument.

Overall we still have a scheme where the vast majority of funding is provided by the community.

[James Deuce]

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.co...of-matter.html

[cowboyz]

What's happened to CHCH_ZED ???

He 'lit the fuse' but appears to have run away !!!

Meanwhile, LAKEDAEMONIAN has fronted up to everyones scrutiny.

Come one CHCH_ZED, tell us the rest of your side.
One 7 line post isn't enough given the crap that has been thrown at LAKEDAEMONIAN.

what exactly do you want him to say?

he said he was there.. handing out pamplets and was asked to stop.

Lakedaemonian agreed thats waht happened. - with a fair ammount of spin doctoring.

meh.... issue has been put out there.
chch_zed has said he want to raise awareness on the acc levies
lakedaemonian has said he wants every biker to put their own submissions and keep the issues away from general non-bikign public and and controversy between his event and sponsers.

Seems to be sorted.
right. end of story.

[Skyryder]

I'm not going to take one side of this as against the other as I was not present.

What I will say................is We are all on the same side on this issue

LET'S NOT FORGET THAT.


Skyryder