250s VS 600+?

[wbks]

I'm not a hard rider on the road no matter what bike, but I noticed today that around any decent corners (which is where fun is, don't really care for top speeds) I never actually go over half or 3/4 throttle, and less than that is enough to be going way too fast than is safe once things start revving. Kind of makes things boring: Brake into corner-lean-roll on gas out of it, repeat... Compared to ringing the shit out of any 250 but still being barely above legal speeds on the same piece of road... Up and down through gears, knee skimming, braking as hard as 20 y/o calipers will, and still only doing 120 or so through twisties and having fun compared to riding "relaxed" and 200 comes up too fast despite riding like a nanna through corners. Beginning to think maybe I shifted to a big bike too soon, but I still enjoy the torque and modern gauges/chassis/susp. Any of you ever felt like that? Advice?

[ital916]

I'm not a hard rider on the road no matter what bike, but I noticed today that around any decent corners (which is where fun is, don't really care for top speeds) I never actually go over half or 3/4 throttle, and less than that is enough to be going way too fast than is safe once things start revving. Kind of makes things boring: Brake into corner-lean-roll on gas out of it, repeat... Compared to ringing the shit out of any 250 but still being barely above legal speeds on the same piece of road... Up and down through gears, knee skimming, braking as hard as 20 y/o calipers will, and still only doing 120 or so through twisties and having fun compared to riding "relaxed" and 200 comes up too fast despite riding like a nanna through corners. Beginning to think maybe I shifted to a big bike too soon, but I still enjoy the torque and modern gauges/chassis/susp. Any of you ever felt like that? Advice?

I cant wait to get off ma 250...I've been on it longer than I should have been and am finding that she doesnt brake hard enough, doesnt turn quick enough, the suspension doesnt work well enough and shes doesnt have enough go. You will feel cool for all of two mins on a 250 before you start missing you're big bike.

You've just gotten used to it now.

[McJim]

Tight twisties were more exhilirating on the 250 coz I pinned the throttle and revved the snot out of it

Once the bikes put out more torque (bigger engines) you have to be careful how much you give it or the back wheel will spin.

It's nice to have the extra acceleration to get you out of trouble on a bigger bike though.

[centercore]

I just got my r6 after having a zxr250. The zxr felt more fun in the twisties because its so light and you have to play with the gears to get all the speed out of it. Kinda like when I went from my rg150 to my zxr250, the smoker needed me to work it like mad to get it going quick, and if I didn't I'd be under the powerband and not going anywhere soon.

The zxr had no dramas with the rear wheel spinning up or the front trying to lift no matter what you did. Guess it was more fun with less risk.

[The Pastor]

I used to have a jap 1000cc bike on my restricted, now on my full ive got a jap 250cc.

Its not what you ride its how you ride.

[steve_t]

Really?!! I'm hanging out to get my full to get a ZX6R or R6 and now you guys are saying I could possibly regret doing so and want my 250R again?!! Damn you guys for confusing me

[The Pastor]

Really?!! I'm hanging out to get my full to get a ZX6R or R6 and now you guys are saying I could possibly regret doing so and want my 250R again?!! Damn you guys for confusing me

ride what you wanna ride and sod the rules.

[howdamnhard]

Tight twisties were more exhilirating on the 250 coz I pinned the throttle and revved the snot out of it

Once the bikes put out more torque (bigger engines) you have to be careful how much you give it or the back wheel will spin.

It's nice to have the extra acceleration to get you out of trouble on a bigger bike though.

What he said.

[howdamnhard]

I just got my r6 after having a zxr250.

Cool must go out for a ride sometime so that I can get a look at it.

[CookMySock]

My vtwin 650 is ten times more interesting than the 250 vtwins. No, I don't go faster on the 650, but I get there lot more quickly, vibration and noise levels are higher, much greater care is needed at lower speeds, bar forces are higher, and just in general it has a forceful presence about it. The 650 is more planted in corners rather than the jittery 250.

It's not about speed. It's about the presence of the machine, the extra skills and experience required to handle it.

Steve

[Hahn]

Really?!! I'm hanging out to get my full to get a ZX6R or R6 and now you guys are saying I could possibly regret doing so and want my 250R again?!! Damn you guys for confusing me

Don't listen to them Steve!....

[Sidewinder]

more power the better

[mynameis]

Get a TL mate that will solve all ya problem.

[Maki]

I'm not a hard rider on the road no matter what bike, but I noticed today that around any decent corners (which is where fun is, don't really care for top speeds) I never actually go over half or 3/4 throttle, and less than that is enough to be going way too fast than is safe once things start revving. Kind of makes things boring: Brake into corner-lean-roll on gas out of it, repeat... Compared to ringing the shit out of any 250 but still being barely above legal speeds on the same piece of road... Up and down through gears, knee skimming, braking as hard as 20 y/o calipers will, and still only doing 120 or so through twisties and having fun compared to riding "relaxed" and 200 comes up too fast despite riding like a nanna through corners. Beginning to think maybe I shifted to a big bike too soon, but I still enjoy the torque and modern gauges/chassis/susp. Any of you ever felt like that? Advice?

Yes, I feel exactly like that. Giving the R6 full throttle at high revs through a tight corner is asking for major carnage while doing so on a 250 is perfectly safe.
There is a lot of fun to be had riding a 600. It is just a different to the kind of fun you have on a 250. If you are bored, try concentrating on the perfect line, timing, incremental speed increase, etc. While you can go through the corners full throttle in a 250 there is a lot more depth to what can be done on a 600....

[R6_kid:Me]

Torque is king. My TRX850 almost feels like an old 250 in terms of handling, but with uprated brakes and 85nm of torque. I used to have fun on my old '89 ZXR250 but I spent so much time thrashing the shit out of it that it was going to become a money hole if I held onto it - that's the problem with 250's.

Yes, they do the 'same' speed through corners, they handle well for what they are (ZXR/CBR/FZR), but you are constantly wringing the shit out of them. They only make useable power from 12,000rpm to redline, and peak power is at 16,000rpm+. Doing this every weekend for a few hours at a time is just asking for trouble on a 20yo motor, parts are rarely available, and when they are they are prohibitively expensive.

The thing with a 400/600/750/1000+ is that you can do the same speed without raping the motor, you generally get good handling and brakes relative to the power on tap, and if you ride with a bit of sensibility then you can stay out of trouble and have a great time while doing it. A 1000cc motor makes as much power at 2/3 peak rpm as a 600cc does screaming it's tits off, same applies 600cc-400cc and 400cc-250cc.