1st pinged 'new laws'

**Grahameeboy** · 5th November 2009, 20:07

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Maybe, but have you never done it? Even once? Go on, admit it.....

No one rings him silly.............

**Grahameeboy** · 5th November 2009, 20:08

Originally Posted by James Deuce

How is it BS? It's a law change. There was plenty of warning, both in the newsmedia and on KB. It may not be a sensible law change (cue Mikkel for long winded rant about how Scandinavians are right about everything including lights on during the day) or particularly warranted given that most bikes made in the last 15 years have little choice about whether their headlight is on or not, but ignorance of a law as an excuse?

Nah. It's up to the individual to kee abreast of stuff like this. You know, responsible citizen and all.

Agree with you Jim....as for Nanny state..hah....not even close to it

**BiK3RChiK** · 5th November 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by James Deuce

How is it BS? It's a law change. There was plenty of warning, both in the newsmedia and on KB. It may not be a sensible law change (cue Mikkel for long winded rant about how Scandinavians are right about everything including lights on during the day) or particularly warranted given that most bikes made in the last 15 years have little choice about whether their headlight is on or not, but ignorance of a law as an excuse?

Nah. It's up to the individual to kee abreast of stuff like this. You know, responsible citizen and all.

The guy knew about the law. He just forgot to put his headlight back on when he was temporarily warming his bike up. This is just policing gone mad and to my mind and many others, it's just quota filling. The officer didn't even know how much to charge him on the ticket, nor did her colleagues. Whatever happened to a warning? or a grace period?

When the police pull this kind of crap they lose face with the public and wonder why so many hate them so much. They should take a look at themselves.

**Kickaha** · 5th November 2009, 21:28

Originally Posted by BiK3RChiK

They should take a look at themselves.

Quota filling

So should all the motorcyclists who don't obey the laws and then whine their arses off when they get caught

**rotaholicfc3s** · 7th November 2009, 17:46

Originally Posted by BiK3RChiK

The guy knew about the law. He just forgot to put his headlight back on when he was temporarily warming his bike up. This is just policing gone mad and to my mind and many others, it's just quota filling. The officer didn't even know how much to charge him on the ticket, nor did her colleagues. Whatever happened to a warning? or a grace period?

When the police pull this kind of crap they lose face with the public and wonder why so many hate them so much. They should take a look at themselves.

'twas I who received this ticket. I actually had no idea about the law change as I don't really watch much news as I find it depressing (war, famine, aids, death, depression, etc) so perhaps I'm to blame for not keeping up with the changes. A friend of mine who rides received a letter informing him of the law change but for some reason I did not.

I've got no problems with paying the fine, I just think its BS to give it to someone who genuinely had no idea. I was 110% polite to the officer in all hopes of getting off it but to no avail. The officer was very friendly and chatty but stuck to her guns about dishing me the fine.

Just pissed me off as I ALLWAYS ride with the headlights on and the one day I didnt I got pinged and didnt actually know it was now law.

I was issued the ticket on the 4th... Maybe the first one in NZ?

Cheers for the feedback

**James Deuce** · 7th November 2009, 19:32

Don't forget you have to give way to people on both sides of pedestrian crossings now, not just your side. If they stick a foot on it and you drive through and get pinged, expect a fine for that too.

Nov 1st was three things:

1. Cellphones
2. Headlights for motorcycles
3. New pedestrian crossing rule.

**dangerous** · 7th November 2009, 19:34

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Don't forget you have to give way to people on both sides of pedestrian crossings now, not just your side. If they stick a foot on it and you drive through and get pinged, expect a fine for that too.

I thought that was always the case... unless there is a island seperating the lanes?

**mowgli** · 7th November 2009, 19:40

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Don't forget you have to give way to people on both sides of pedestrian crossings now, not just your side. If they stick a foot on it and you drive through and get pinged, expect a fine for that too.

Nov 1st was three things:

1. Cellphones
2. Headlights for motorcycles
3. New pedestrian crossing rule.

Could be wrong but I thought it went further than that. If a ped is obviously intending to cross at a crossing you now have to give way. Previously they didn't have right of way until they stepped out.

Edit: Found it

Originally Posted by NZTA

drivers must give way to pedestrians who are ‘obviously waiting’ to cross at a pedestrian crossing (the current requirement is to give way to pedestrians on a crossing)

**James Deuce** · 7th November 2009, 19:40

Originally Posted by dangerous

I thought that was always the case... unless there is a island seperating the lanes?

Nope, just your side of the road.

**mowgli** · 7th November 2009, 19:48

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Nope, just your side of the road.

Nope. Both sides.

Originally Posted by NZTA

When coming up to pedestrian crossings:
* slow down and be ready to stop for any pedestrians on, or stepping onto, the crossing
* if there is no raised traffic island in the middle of the crossing, stop and give way to pedestrians on any part of the crossing
* if there is a raised traffic island in the middle of the crossing, stop and give way to pedestrians on your half of the road
* wait until the pedestrian has crossed in front of you and is clear of your vehicle before you proceed - see give way rules.

See full reference here

**James Deuce** · 7th November 2009, 19:50

Originally Posted by mowgli

Nope. Both sides.

See full reference here

The reference is out of date. You have to give way to people on both sides irrespective of traffic islands or otherwise now.

**mowgli** · 7th November 2009, 19:56

Originally Posted by James Deuce

The reference is out of date. You have to give way to people on both sides irrespective of traffic islands or otherwise now.

The NZTA releases don't mention any change to the consideration of pedestrian refuges.

**mowgli** · 7th November 2009, 20:04

Originally Posted by James Deuce

The reference is out of date. You have to give way to people on both sides irrespective of traffic islands or otherwise now.

Okay here is the actual wording of the new Road User Rule. The new bit is highlighted.

Originally Posted by Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 (SR 2004/427) (as at 01 November 2009)

10.1 Pedestrian crossings

(1) A driver approaching a pedestrian crossing must—

(a) give way to pedestrians, and to riders of wheeled recreational devices or mobility devices,—

(i) on the pedestrian crossing; or
(ii) obviously waiting to cross it; and

(b) if necessary, slow down and stop the driver's vehicle for that purpose.

(2) A driver approaching a pedestrian crossing must not enter the crossing if the driver's intended passage is blocked by stationary traffic.

(3) For the purposes of this clause, if a pedestrian crossing is interrupted by a raised traffic island, the parts of the crossing that are situated on different sides of that traffic island must be regarded as separate pedestrian crossings.

(4) This clause does not apply to a pedestrian crossing that is for the time being controlled by an enforcement officer.