Getting PUBLIC sympathy

[PrincessBandit]

It would be an interesting exercise to (for someone who has all the time in the world )* count up all the bikes and scooters on the Auckland city campus; plus those that inhabit the "cage" and dead spaces in city carparks. Then point out that all those riders would be bringing that many cars into the CBD alone and see how that would logistically work in our dear city.

Car drivers would surely have their sympathy increased if they thought their parking spaces would become even scarcer if all these bikes and scoots were priced off the road.


*I'll try to do it next week.

[Pixie]

The OAP bikers in Mangawhai will be pissed - they all own campers

[BMWST?]

Yup, put up ACC on all older cars too, and graduate the fees by car size. Smallest should pay the highest price because the occupants are more likey to be injured in an accident etc (we'd need the number to back it up of course).

... because I personally, driving my SUV, am sick of cross subsidising them. I've had my license 6 months, I'm told I'm doing really well, I'll have my full license soon and I know I'm a good driver.

it might be the opposite...SUVs have their own achilles heels and could be considered more dangereous than the average cars...

[FastBikeGear]

Car drivers would surely have their sympathy increased if they thought their parking spaces would become even scarcer if all these bikes and scoots were priced off the road.

Great idea. We need to keep our integrity. It is likely that only a portion of thes bikes will be priced off the roads. The extra ACC levy costs will be offset by cheaper second hand bikes for a period.

Maybe only 10-25% of those bikes that currently park in the CBD will be priced off the road. I am guessing Auckland City Council will only have to find an extra 1000 car parks.

Other effects are that we can expect the cost of car parking will increase (supply Vs demand).

No doubt some of these people will turn to public transport and cycles. As Cyclists are 30 times more likely to be injured than car drivers (Report released by Wellington Regional council last week) this could further load ACC.

[Mully]

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Maybe only 10-25% of those bikes that currently park in the CBD will be priced off the road. I am guessing Auckland City Council will only have to find an extra 1000 car parks.

Other effects are that we can expect the cost of car parking will increase (supply Vs demand).

There's also the number of additional cars clogging up the motorways.

As an unhappy, reluctant user of Auckland's laughable public transport system last week, I would dare to suggest that a 25% conversion (off two wheels) would seriously fuck Auckland's transport up.

[ZephyrMark2]

OK. I just found something in a doc motorbyclist found

We may have some allies!

According to this ACC are proposing to raise truck levies by $300 !

From $302 to $585.

I wonder how many truckies are aware of this

I think we will start pushing this point. That we are not just protesting for ourselves that other people are in ACC sights.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

LOVE IT!!!!

Look.... the accounting standards have cost ACC $2.6b in 5 years!!! and taking into account (no pun intended) that the international financial reporting standards kicked in 2007 to all govt departments, they have really spent up large!

Mark

[SARGE]

Hey look all you whingy whiney nasty smelly BIKIES. Either pay up and go ride yer bikes or get rid of em.
You lot cost a lot more when you just have a little crash so why should I pay to fix you all up??
I don't give a shit--and why should I ?--It doesn't affect me.
Actually I'm really quite glad you are being made to pay. Racing past me oun your high powered and noisy death machines.
Besides who cares about whats fair. if you pay more it means I don't have to.


Clearly not my opinion but one expressed recently

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

[Naki Rat]

Due to my mugshot featuring on the front page of the local paper and on Stuff, as a result of the Naki Bikeoi, I have been recognised as being a protesting biker in every shop/servo/whatever I have entered this week.

Without exception the many comments I have received have been positive towards us in respect to the unfairness of motorcyclists' victimisation in this issue. I believe we have the sympathy of a large part of the general population and it takes little or no prompting to get comments that match much of the discussion that is occurring on KB. "ACC needs a shake up", "cyclists/sports should or will pay their share" and the "well behaved tone of motorcycle ACC protests" are all common themes.

So long as we don't have any serious mishaps or behaviour during the upcoming protests we should maintain or improve this level of support to our advantage

[Naki Rat]

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

First they came for the rape victims,
I remained silent;
I was not a rape victim.

When they fined up the criminals,
I remained silent;
I was not a criminal.

When they levied the bikers,
I did not speak out;
I was not a biker.

When they prosecuted the unregistered,
I remained silent;
My bike was registered.

Now they are coming for the ???
Oh shit !!!

[Robert Taylor]

Hey look all you whingy whiney nasty smelly BIKIES. Either pay up and go ride yer bikes or get rid of em.
You lot cost a lot more when you just have a little crash so why should I pay to fix you all up??
I don't give a shit--and why should I ?--It doesn't affect me.
Actually I'm really quite glad you are being made to pay. Racing past me oun your high powered and noisy death machines.
Besides who cares about whats fair. if you pay more it means I don't have to.


Clearly not my opinion but one expressed recently

The reality is that is how a lot of car drivers will think just that. Why?
I drive a car and to be quite frank a LOT of motorcyclists dont do the image of motorcycling any good at all. Im not saying that as an anti motorcyclist ( I support calls to repeal the proposed levy hikes ) I am just stating what is a real problem for motorcyclings image, that in part is why motorcyclists get picked on ( most of them law abiding and respectable )
When I saw a bunch of Coal Scuttle helmeted Hells Angels ride through NP on their excessively noisy motorcycles just last weekend I can just imagine what a lot of non motorcyclists were thinking. I certainly found the spectacle, the disrepectful statement to our forefathers and noise very disturbing.

[FROSTY:Me]

The reality is that is how a lot of car drivers will think just that. Why?
I drive a car and to be quite frank a LOT of motorcyclists dont do the image of motorcycling any good at all.

That was the point i was making in the last thread i created in here.
The issue as I see it is that theres not enough "normal" people concerned about this issue. maybee theres a little sympathy but not enough to be bothered about it. again ALL bikies are the same arent they?? When asked for a mental image of bikers most people i asked had an imageof the "gang" from the movie Road hogs

[davereid]

That was the point i was making in the last thread i created in here.
The issue as I see it is that theres not enough "normal" people concerned about this issue. maybee theres a little sympathy but not enough to be bothered about it. again ALL bikies are the same arent they?? When asked for a mental image of bikers most people i asked had an imageof the "gang" from the movie Road hogs

Maybe once it was like that. But now, everyone knows a "nice guy" who rides a bike.

Everyone has an uncle, a brother, a mother or a mate at work who rides.

Thats one of the reasons ACC didnt get traction here, they miss understood who they were targeting. It turned out to be middle New Zealand, and its hurting them.

Plus, the "you cost more" argument is deeply flawed. In countries that consider your liability for an accident, motorcycles are cheap to insure.

Its not that motorcyclists crash less in those places, or cost less to patch up.

Its because we dont cost them lots for injures to others.

When a liability based personal injury insurer covers a car, he is covering the car occupants (up to 12 of them in a van), plus all the occupants of the van it might crash into. That not the case with a motorcycle, one maybe two people to cover, very very rarely more.

And of course, the insurer knows that in 2/3rds of collisions, the biker will not be liable.

This is how I point out that actually, bikers subsidise cars, not the other way around.

[duckonin]

That was the point i was making in the last thread i created in here.
The issue as I see it is that theres not enough "normal" people concerned about this issue. maybee theres a little sympathy but not enough to be bothered about it. again ALL bikies are the same arent they?? When asked for a mental image of bikers most people i asked had an imageof the "gang" from the movie Road hogs

But which "gang," the old ones or the young ones ?

[FROSTY:Me]

But which "gang," the old ones or the young ones ?

Either or really--either A) fringe of society dole bludgers sellin drugs to our kids OR a bunch of accountants and suchlike who can bloody well afford to pay extra.

[swbarnett]

... from the movie Road hogs

I take it you mean "Wild Hogs"?

John Travolta, Tim allen, Will H. Macy, Martin Lawrence and Ray Liotta?