Protest Ride-Cautionary Note

[wainuiomata]

To hell with parking at the WestPac stadium. The farmers were unified and drove their tractor up Parliament steps! Our protest has to be effective not wishy washy.

I say we should all jam up parliament grounds and the surrounding streets. We want to show we mean business and we won't do this by parking at the stadium and walking to Parliament in a nice orderly fashion like little boys and girls towing the line and obeying the council etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Anderson

[MSTRS:Me]

Eh, Wrong!! Demos are best as a rising tide. This is just the beginning of the turn.
If you want to do as you say, do it yourself ON ANOTHER DAY. We don't want a part of that.

[Kennif]

To hell with parking at the WestPac stadium. The farmers were unified and drove their tractor up Parliament steps! Our protest has to be effective not wishy washy.

I say we should all jam up parliament grounds and the surrounding streets. We want to show we mean business and we won't do this by parking at the stadium and walking to Parliament in a nice orderly fashion like little boys and girls towing the line and obeying the council etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Anderson

Hi Kevin
Nice bike!
Yes that is a good plan for another day IMO. The BIKOI is to be a peaceful and - I hope - goodnatured protest. We also need to keep the public - as much as possible - on our side. After all our gripe is with the government and ACC, not with the public.

A good plan would be for all of us who ride their bikes to work, to leave them at home on an agreed day and take a car/van/truck to town. (Even if you have to BORROW one!!) Get in really early and take over the car parks and pay-and-display areas. Perfectly legal but could be very effective in showing just what a positive effect bikes have for our various cities.

[Azi Dahaka]

To hell with parking at the WestPac stadium. The farmers were unified and drove their tractor up Parliament steps! Our protest has to be effective not wishy washy.

I say we should all jam up parliament grounds and the surrounding streets. We want to show we mean business and we won't do this by parking at the stadium and walking to Parliament in a nice orderly fashion like little boys and girls towing the line and obeying the council etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Anderson

the sad this is this is his first post. it is quite amazing the amount of people who believe violence and non peacful approaches is the best approach. pissing off the public by clogging up the cbd is only going to push them to support the govt in taxing us off the roads but as we can quite clearly see some people just dont think.

[MSTRS:Me]

the sad this is this is his first post. it is quite amazing the amount of people who believe violence and non peacful approaches is the best approach. pissing off the public by clogging up the cbd is only going to push them to support the govt in taxing us off the roads but as we can quite clearly see some people just dont think.

The reality is that some of 'them' will be ringers, sent by the PTB to incite trouble, in the hopes that the whole thing will become a disgrace and discredit us as a group.

[Wasp27]

I've been riding for 33 years,and I couldn't see the point in the stopping instructions either

Ok, I'll try it with you..... if you read that paragraph again slowly you will note hopefully that it starts out by saying...IF FOR ANY REASON YOU STOP OR SLOW DOWN i.e. as in a 'Breakdown' situation you will need to do this.

Listen please... and listen good, We are entering the final 24 hour phase of this campaign and quite frankly if there are still riders out there that are struggling with the concept of Group Riding and the advice given basically to protect you from not only other riders but also yourselves, then may I suggest that because of the limited time available and the steepness of the Learning curve you have before you... that you seriously reconsider becoming involved at this level. In my honest opinion if you still find it difficult to comprehend all this.... spare a thought for those that will unfortunately have to ride behind or beside you and give it a miss. There will no doubt be other much smaller group rides that you can participate in in relative safety. The last thing we want or need is for anybody to be hurt.
Cheers W

[StoneY]

To hell with parking at the WestPac stadium. The farmers were unified and drove their tractor up Parliament steps! Our protest has to be effective not wishy washy.

I say we should all jam up parliament grounds and the surrounding streets. We want to show we mean business and we won't do this by parking at the stadium and walking to Parliament in a nice orderly fashion like little boys and girls towing the line and obeying the council etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Anderson

Dear Kevin

I too live in Wainuiomata, and have done a LOT of work to ensure all our motorcyclists are going to arrive safely and in one piece to HAVE our collective say to the Government

If you try what you are suggesting here, not only will you end up in a cell, but you will find out how many fellow Wainuiomatians are attending the BIKEOI as peacful and agreeable human beings...(untill you show up that is)

Up to you pal, but I suggest you and your big single post youve made, are truly some National puppet thats logged in here to cause trouble

StoneY

[Azi Dahaka]

The reality is that some of 'them' will be ringers, sent by the PTB to incite trouble, in the hopes that the whole thing will become a disgrace and discredit us as a group.

sorry to be thick but what is PTB

[GOONR]

sorry to be thick but what is PTB

I wondered that as well, my guess is "Powers that be" could be very wrong though.

[MSTRS:Me]

Top o'the class O Goony One

[Gixxer 4 ever]

To hell with parking at the WestPac stadium. Kevin Anderson

This is known as trolling I think. Good rich fishing grounds but you can piss off now. I think the Riot squad will love using your head for practice.

[Wasp27]

This is known as trolling I think. Good rich fishing grounds but you can piss off now. I think the Riot squad will love using your head for practice.

if its gunna happen.... and it probably will, I hope I'm close enough to watch... be funny as

[paddy]

Ok, I'll try it with you..... if you read that paragraph again slowly you will note hopefully that it starts out by saying...IF FOR ANY REASON YOU STOP OR SLOW DOWN i.e. as in a 'Breakdown' situation you will need to do this.

Listen please... and listen good, We are entering the final 24 hour phase of this campaign and quite frankly if there are still riders out there that are struggling with the concept of Group Riding and the advice given basically to protect you from not only other riders but also yourselves, then may I suggest that because of the limited time available and the steepness of the Learning curve you have before you... that you seriously reconsider becoming involved at this level. In my honest opinion if you still find it difficult to comprehend all this.... spare a thought for those that will unfortunately have to ride behind or beside you and give it a miss. There will no doubt be other much smaller group rides that you can participate in in relative safety. The last thing we want or need is for anybody to be hurt.
Cheers W

Wasp27, your responses are starting to become frustrating. I asked you to clarify to help me, as a new rider, to understand your advice. Instead you are simply attacking people. You have yet to justify anything you have written with any reason. That's your prerogative, and you may well be correct, but it detracts from the advice you have given.

Don't forget that people write whatever they like on the internet. As a new rider I have to sort through that and decide what to take on board and what to ignore. I have to be honest with you, unless you are prepared to start answering some of the "whys" rather than taking the "you are all dangerous" approach, all of your advice is going into my ignore pile. That's disappointing because I'm sure that your experience is valuable to others...

[paddy]

What is this 'merging out'? If you mean taking an off-ramp, there's nothing unsafe about that. But...If the flow of bikes is going straight on, why would you want to exit the group?

I don't know - pick a reason. Illness, flat tyre, bike playing up, cramp.... I'm sure there are plenty of reasons one might need to stop. My main point is that Wasp27 is saying that merging out IS dangerous - I'm just trying to figure out why, and why his proposed approach is safer. I have yet to hear a well reasoned answer from him. At this stage he seems to be in label-anyone-who-disagrees-as-dangerous mode (which really doesn't help me to understand his advice).

[Wasp27]

Wasp27, your responses are starting to become frustrating. I asked you to clarify to help me, as a new rider, to understand your advice. Instead you are simply attacking people. You have yet to justify anything you have written with any reason. That's your prerogative, and you may well be correct, but it detracts from the advice you have given.

Don't forget that people write whatever they like on the internet. As a new rider I have to sort through that and decide what to take on board and what to ignore. I have to be honest with you, unless you are prepared to start answering some of the "whys" rather than taking the "you are all dangerous" approach, all of your advice is going into my ignore pile. That's disappointing because I'm sure that your experience is valuable to others...

Well I did try.....I thought and so did all the others that have filled my box with bling that it was pretty self explanatory... but never mind. I hope you have a pleasant uneventful day and RIDE SAFE... after all, thats the message we're trying to get out there. Cheers W