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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    I would rather see a fairer approach (woodhouse principles etc etc) where the majorities use their financial weight to help subsidise the minority.......
    And yet that is the way ACC works now. There is very little weighting for risk apart from the employers fund and even then its fairly flat across the entire economy.

    Individually we pay .5c (half a cent) per $1 earned. High earners pay more than low earners because they receive more $.

    Motorvehicles are flattish at present and represent a modest part of ACC total income. The increase for motorcyclists and truckies isn't huge when you compare it to the annual cost of ACC benefits.

    We don't like it........but sadly we are a bit of a minority.....


    Still - lets keep the noise up, something will stick. Politicians aren't logical either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipshit View Post

    Motorcyclists have 3.5 times the amount of accidents compared to car drivers when based on the number of registered vehicles.
    more bulshit spin, ACC use the wording more likely to have an accident because that has negotive connotations when the public hear it, what they should be saying is more likely to be "injured" as this is what the statistic really means, and of course motorcyclists are! have you ever heard a motorcyclist say that in a 50kph accident they're going to come off better than a car driver? didn't think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    Do you have a reference for this? The data I have seen suggests 3 to 4 times.
    And would have been based on the number of registered vehicles.

    Take into account that a lot of bikes only get taken out of the garage on the occasional sunny weekend for a "blast".

    http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

    Riding has never been more dangerous- and it's getting worse

    In 1997, motorcyclists were 14 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash, per vehicle mile traveled.

    In 2005, motorcyclists were 37 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash, per vehicle mile traveled.

    There are more motorcycles on the road than ever before- so you can sadly expect a higher number of deaths. Same for cars, planes, trains, whatever. But how do you determine the true risk? You use 'per vehicle mile traveled'- it takes the number of bikes out of the equation. It's simple to understand: for every hundred miles you put on your bike, you are 37 times more likely to die than if you drive your car a hundred miles. Same if you drive around the block. Same if you drive across the US. It's still 37 times the risk. That risk has risen a lot since 1997:


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    The most recent statistics document from the NHTSA that I have been able to find is from 2007:

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/nhts...007/810990.pdf

    They say, amongst other things
    Per vehicle mile traveled in 2006, motorcyclists were about 35 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a motor vehicle traffic crash and 8 times more likely to be injured.

    Per registered vehicle, the fatality rate for motorcyclists in 2006 was 5.5 times the fatality rate for passenger car occupants. The injury rate for motorcyclists was 1.2 times the injury rate for passenger car occupants.

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    is any of that relevant when we're almost entirely charged on a per vehicle basis, rather than per kilometre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    We're all sorry.
    I actually wonder how much your lot are helping to skew the data.

    When was the last time pulled up some Lycra Lizard doing 70/80Ks on his 5mm of road-contact tyres, and did him for dangerous driving?

    Sometimes I think you cops are a work of Pavlovian art. Ring the bell and the cop does the business.

    Do you ever question what you're doing? Not a chance.

    Go outside the automaton administration of the 'Law'? Not a chance.

    Personally, I think your attitude (you cops) to towing the party line is more dangerous to democracy and reason than Honi Haveaholiday and his ilk.

    But the prospect of defeated promotion is the great leveler, eh?

    No point in upsetting the apple-cart with small mouths to feed and a mortgage to pay. Eh?

    Hup Hup! Must get the score-card filled with tickets.

    'We have a quota for ticket issuing? How could you say that? Hush your mouth!' Yeah. Right.

    But let's stick with issuing tickets to those we 'know' we can demonise. No point in going after the others even if they do pose a far greater risk than bikers....being the general cop philosophy.

    Oh yes. It's so much easier to after those who can be identified via registration, licence to ride, etc. For them there is no escaping. But cyclists?

    No rego. No warrant. No clear rules on anything regarding their conduct on the road. 'Nar mate. That's in the too hard basket. Much easier to tag a registered motorist of some sort.'
    Only 'Now' exists in reality.

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