Hi-vis vests?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Except, and this is the important point, the research says this is simply not true, and hi-vis vests do make a small but statistically significant difference in the likelihood of you being involved in a crash. Anecdotal stories about what your wife's brother's mate thinks are irrelevant.

research done by the makers of the vests ... oh and lets play the statistics game again... start with the figure you want and make the calculation around it to fit sounds fimilar

[Vgygrwr]

Accept that there is no way I can recall the studies but one suggested there were two images that tended to "intimidate" one was lots of "black and chrome" the other was mainly "white with yellow/green hi vis" (white bike and white helmet) each was more likely to generate a fear response and therefore register. One "lawless" the other the "law".

Also good to recognise as prediators our eyes are very well designed to pick up objects moving across our field of vison and not so good at picking up anything moving directly toward them. When you want to be seen ensure you move across the line of vision by moving from one side of the lane to the other or weave slightly.

From memory both of these came from monitoring the electrical response in the brain of the "car driver" not accident statistics.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Accept that there is no way I can recall the studies but one suggested there were two images that tended to "intimidate" one was lots of "black and chrome" the other was mainly "white with yellow/green hi vis" (white bike and white helmet) each was more likely to generate a fear response and therefore register. One "lawless" the other the "law".

Also good to recognise as prediators our eyes are very well designed to pick up objects moving across our field of vison and not so good at picking up anything moving directly toward them. When you want to be seen ensure you move across the line of vision by moving from one side of the lane to the other or weave slightly.

From memory both of these came from monitoring the electrical response in the brain of the "car driver" not accident statistics.

add in Motion Induced Blindness its a woner we get see at all

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot_mib/

[Bass]

If it made you more alert and responsive as a rider, I would recommend it highly.

A fluoro vest won't soften your impact.

See, you and I are coming at this from opposite directions. I will take every reasonable precaution that I can and I can see no reason at all why these precautions can't compliment one another.
You, on the other hand are implying that taking some of the precautions will/can make me complacent about the others. For the life of me, I can't see why.
Now we can argue as much as we like about how much (if at all) a hi-vis vest reduces the chance of a collision, but you seem to be the only person on here who is implying that it can actually increase the chance of one.

Sorry mate, but I just don't buy it!

I am happy to wear one on just the chance that it will help.

[vifferman]

Except, and this is the important point, the research says this is simply not true, and hi-vis vests do make a small but statistically significant difference in the likelihood of you being involved in a crash.

Except - and this is the important point - there is no way to eliminate the stattistics due to those who wear safety vests possibly being more safety-minded and careful.
Or thinking they're safer and being more careless.

Remember: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" (Samuel Clemens, aka Mark Twain).

[Bass]

Except - and this is the important point - there is no way to eliminate the stattistics due to those who wear safety vests possibly being more safety-minded and careful.
Or thinking they're safer and being more careless.

Bingo!
My own opinion (no research or evidence offered) is that those who do choose to wear "THE VEST" are more safety minded anyway. I have yet to encounter a total jerk on the road who was wearing "THE VEST".

[vifferman]

Bingo!
My own opinion (no research or evidence offered) is that those who do choose to wear "THE VEST" are more safety minded anyway. I have yet to encounter a total jerk on the road who was wearing "THE VEST".

Yeah, I wasn't wearing mine when I rode past Papakura yesterday...

[Bass]

Yeah, I wasn't wearing mine when I rode past Papakura yesterday...

Ah, but you just admitted that you have one.......oh the shame

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Ah, but you just admitted that you have one.......oh the shame

I have one as well but will never wear it while riding...


Have since I was a builder on various construction sites

[Bass]

I have one as well but will never wear it while riding...


Have since I was a builder on various construction sites

Interesting.....
That implies that you think you were more at risk on the building site than on the bike - or perhaps that what others think is important to you - or even that you didn't catch Vifferman's double entendre.......

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Interesting.....
That implies that you think you were more at risk on the building site than on the bike - or perhaps that what others think is important to you.

no I had to wear it it was the site rules... and yes I feel safer on the bike than any construction site...

hell many bikes these days you can't see what the rider is wearing, from the front due to the fairing and sitting position, and with now your headlight is to be on the extra glear from that will hide it from a distance anyway which is when you are wanting the vest to be working... and including the extra glear cars now have with many of them driving with daytime lights... You can't see the vest on many other bikes from behind with the pack and or top box from behind, and sitting position on many other bikes either and if you can't see the bike and rider from side on... something is wrong with you as it is to late then no matter what.

Yes in some cases the hi Vis Vest will stand out more... but in just as many cases Black will stand out more... (a graphic trick use the drop shadow to make it stand out) similar theory

As I said if you can not see a bike and rider 200 meters away (no matter with or with out the vest) you should be on the road. Hell I am calculating vehicles upto a 3 or 4 km's away and some a lot further...

Around town the fast movement of changing colours nothing really stands out...

At the end of the day I have nothing against those that wear one... but if we all had to we would be come invisible again stupid as it sounds... especially if you carry a clipboard ultimate camo

[vifferman]

Ah, but you just admitted that you have one.......oh the shame

It's not too shameful.
The front looks like this and the back like this.

[Horse]

research done by the makers of the vests

I'm sure that...

Susan Wells, senior lecturer in epidemiology, Bernadette Mullin, public health physician, Jennie Connor, senior lecturer in epidemiology, Roy Lay-Yee, assistant research fellow, and Rod Jackson, professor of epidemiology, all from the School of Population Health at University of Auckland, and Robyn Norton, professor of public health at the Institute for International Health, University of Sydney, and John Langley director of injury prevention research unit at the University of Otago...

all appreciate being described as "makers of vests".

[Swoop]

So using this logic, I should turn my headlight off and paint the bike in camoflage?

The camoflage point is interesting. GIJoe1313 has full camo riding gear...
I suppose he has been killed many times over with that approach?

Common sence to start with.
Followed by the fact car drivers see riders wearing pretty vests as being wankers and therefore "no threat" to them.

Solid black provides the best silhouette and lights up peoples threat acessment every time.

Nobody in a day glo vest is scary.

Bloody well said.

[Bass]

It's not too shameful.
The front looks like this and the back like this.

Whoa!!!!!
That's like Richard Hammond claiming "I am a driving God" on film!