Hi-vis vests?

[vifferman]

Anyway, the only real way to tell is to clone someone, put them on identical bikes, fit some with fluoro vests and some not, wind them up, and send him/her and all his/her clones out'n'about, and see how many get squished.

From my own highly scientific and impartial sampling, the times I wasn't seen and had a violent ineraction with other motorists (including a cyclist and pedestrian), visibility wasn't an issue.
You can't see someone if you don't bother looking.
I could have been wearing a flashing neon sign and it's doubtful it would have made a difference.

Maybe my sister was right. I was talking about this with her yesterday (she'd seen Saturday's bike procession near Papakura and was MOST impressed). I opined that bikes seem to get seen if look like they're cop bikes, to which she said, "Maybe they should allow all motorcycles to be fitted with sirens and flashing lights".
What a bloody good idea!

[Bass]

no I had to wear it it was the site rules... and yes I feel safer on the bike than any construction site...
At the end of the day I have nothing against those that wear one... but if we all had to we would be come invisible again stupid as it sounds... especially if you carry a clipboard ultimate camo

The camoflage point is interesting. GIJoe1313 has full camo riding gear...
I suppose he has been killed many times over with that approach?

Bloody well said.

Gentlemen, it's your life and your call.
I just happen to think that you are wrong and the vast majority of rigorous research supports my point of view. In fact if you check back (I believe) that you will find that the only ones in here that are quoting serious investigation are those that contend that hi-vis helps. Note that I didn't say that it's a cure all, I said that it helps.

Oh and Justin's camo is RED for chrissakes. It stands out like a spare prick at a wedding.

[vifferman]

Gentlemen, it's your life and your call.
In fact if you check back (I believe) that you will find that the only ones in here that are quoting serious investigation are those that contend that hi-vis helps.

So, not the kewl kids then?

[Bass]

So, not the kewl kids then?

Maybe, maybe not.
I think that it's dangerous to form an opinion about someone based on their internet persona.
I suspect that you agree

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Gentlemen, it's your life and your call.
I just happen to think that you are wrong and the vast majority of rigorous research supports my point of view. In fact if you check back (I believe) that you will find that the only ones in here that are quoting serious investigation are those that contend that hi-vis helps. Note that I didn't say that it's a cure all, I said that it helps.

In my experience and I use to wear one doing motorcycling couriering for a year (had that job for 5 years) ... Then decided it didn't make a damn difference so I stopped wearing it... if people don't look they are not going to see you no matter what you are wearing or not wearing. Then add in the element of "motion included blindness" (and that doesn't matter what colour mix there is...)

The main problem people have on the road is impatience they simply need to slow down and then look again.

Oh and Justin's camo is RED for chrissakes. It stands out like a spare prick at a wedding.

lol

[vifferman]

Maybe, maybe not.
I think that it's dangerous to form an opinion about someone based on their internet persona.
I suspect that you agree

Fersher.
I mean, people who haven't met me probably think I'm intelligent, charming, urbane, and incredibly good-looking. Not to mention a witty raconteur, modest, the life of the party, knowledgeable about all kinds of things, helpful, kind, sexy, irresistably likeable and melodiously tootling.



Reality Bites.



But at least I don't have too many enemies.

Apart from those who DO actually know me, that is....

[Ferkletastic]

To those (mostly HD & cruiser it would seem) riders who think they look "scary" I refer you to the latest episode of South Park.

The public doesn't see bikers as badass, they see them the same way they see balding dudes in little convertables.

People are aware and have been for a long time that the average big cruiser rider is most likely a middle aged advertising manager not an outlaw, and no amount of HD brand leather and tassles will change that.

Get over yourselves.

As for Hi Vis, I wear one most of the time and also assume I haven't been seen.

[Bass]

Fersher.
I mean, people who haven't met me probably think I'm intelligent, charming, urbane, and incredibly good-looking. Not to mention a witty raconteur, modest, the life of the party, knowledgeable about all kinds of things, helpful, kind, sexy, irresistably likeable and melodiously tootling.



Reality Bites.



But at least I don't have too many enemies.

Apart from those who DO actually know me, that is....

It all fell over at "sexy" eh?

[vifferman]

The public doesn't see bikers as badass, they see them the same way they see balding dudes in little convertables.

Huh...
I saw a grey-haired man (looked like a shopkeeper, or beancounter) in a new Z4 this morning. He may as well have been in a Nissan Sunny....
He drove it like one...

It all fell over at "sexy" eh?

I have three Mutant Troglodyte Spawn, who are expert at disavowing me of any illusions I might have about my kewlness (especially #2Son).
Bastids!

[avgas]

The most interesting experience I had on a bike was when I rode dangerously black.
Matt Black helmet, tinted visor
Black jacket
Black Jeans
Black boots
on a black bike (loud) with no stickers

People bloody changed lanes to get away from me.
So that Hi-Viz stuff must work in getting people to see you.

My argument is very simple. If they see you - does it matter?
Very "Women in a red dress" statement (....matrix....)
but I have found that very few people pay attention to anything when driving. I don't. However if you wish to ride around and become a memory as someone drives over you - I imagine Hi-Viz is perfect for getting their attention.....even if it is too late at that point

[Swoop]

Oh and Justin's camo is RED for chrissakes. It stands out like a spare prick at a wedding.

Not to the colourblind...
How many of that category of "road-user" are there out on the roads?

To those (mostly HD & cruiser it would seem) riders who think they look "scary" ... The public doesn't see bikers as badass, they see them the same way they see balding dudes in little convertables.

I'll keep that in mind whenever I see a Mongrel Mob/Highway 61 group of bikers...

The most interesting experience I had on a bike was when I rode dangerously black.
Matt Black helmet, tinted visor
Black jacket
Black Jeans
Black boots
on a black bike (loud) with no stickers

People bloody changed lanes to get away from me.
So that Hi-Viz stuff must work in getting people to see you.

Strange. I have noticed the same thing.
If people want to wear day-glo, then go for it.

[Ferkletastic]

I'll keep that in mind whenever I see a Mongrel Mob/Highway 61 group of bikers...

If people want to wear day-glo, then go for it.

There are fairly obvious exceptions. But it's pretty easy to spot the difference between 1%er and Jeff from marketing.

[Badjelly]

...A few years ago there was some research carried out in Britain (can't find the link anymore)...

No-one ever can.

[Bass]

No-one ever can.

Well that screws up all my arguments then, doesn't it?

[ducatijim]

Just a wee aside here; Hi-Vis has become SO common in our daily lives- we see it on every worker who doesn't just guide a pen in the safety of a office- that we are in danger of becoming 'numb' to its significance in the outdoors.
Kinda like the flashy amber lites used by every second vehicle that is motionless( sometimes not too) anywhere ALONG a road.

It is all so 'overkill' everywhere nowdays that I barely register I have seen Hi-Vis or flashies...prolly just a courier driver parked in Subby for lunch!

Wot about you............................................... ..............