Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

[idleidolidyll]

The problem with this is that the response from the Nickster is unlikely to be a clear cut "Get fucked, the levies stay" , or "You're absolutely so right, I'm cancelling the increases and heading down to buy a GN250 for myself".

The problem with the BRONZ softly softly approach is that by the time we find out we've been screwed over yet again, it will be too late to do anything to stop it.

We MUST organise NOW and be prepared to disrupt New Zealand in order to draw attention to this attack on motorcyclists by National and ACT.

Ixion, I've commented before that bugger all has come of the non disruptive protests so far organised: we STILL have cheesecutter, we STILL have loose metal all over the roads (more and more every year because the powers that be would rather charge US for the damage this does than get the road workers to clean it up), we STILL have our accidents recorded as "speed was a major factor" (when it was actually gravel from road worksetc) we STILL get ignored by Govt.

Perhaps it's just poor PR from the likes of BRONZ but in the 35 years I've been a licenced rider in NZ; the ONLY protest I've ever seen work for us was the DISRUPTIVE ACTION taken 30 years ago against the Auck CC re parking.

Has anyone started the NZ arm of MAG yet? If not then it's about bloody time.

[Sis]

I'm all for protesting at the next level But I don't want the NZ public against us. At the moment, we have the support of all NZers and ACC is finding their task much harder. They under estimated our opposition and the support from other road users. Let's keep the momentum going and with the support from the public!

[idleidolidyll]

but isnt the ultimate agenda to have fewer bikes on the road, if we piss everyone off, how is that going to help? Illegal acitivties get bikes taken off us.... look at the boy racers in christchurch, they are pissing everyone off, government knows nobody supports them so passes anti-boyracer laws, and now thier cars can be crushed.

How would bikers being disruptive be any different?

serious question btw, I'm open to any suggestions bout how we can oppose this law, but I dont see how this idea can work.

Go back and read the head message: I advocate LEGAL disruption not illegal action.

Did the Bus Drivers get anywhere until they took disruptive action? No, and history shows us that the media and government will ignore us unless we too make a stink over this.

[MIXONE]

My very LOUD GSXR1100 is in for these.
I can be disruptive, and I truly appreciate the schedule you have suggested

Yes to 1 week after the BIKEOI, I will be available - and willing to do Laps on National MPs houses

My old beema isn't the quietest bike around and I'll be happy to join you Stoney.

[BikerDazz]

Go back and read the head message: I advocate LEGAL disruption not illegal action.

Did the Bus Drivers get anywhere until they took disruptive action? No, and history shows us that the media and government will ignore us unless we too make a stink over this.

I'm all for legal disruptive action if the 'softly' approach doesn't work.
I think we do need maintain public support though, and I don't think it helps the cause when you've got riders in rallys looking 'menacing' in skull bandannas etc.

[idleidolidyll]

i prefer the term Winning Hearts and Minds

No point winning the publics hearts and minds if the politicians and media ignore you anyway

[FROSTY:Me]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

[riffer]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

Not in Wellington Tony. There's specific laws against bikes parking in the parking spots here.

[Mom]

I am sure there will be many that will be up for a reasonable bit of civil disobediance, I am not so sure I want to put my hand up in such a public way.

[idleidolidyll]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

Yep, that WORKED 30 years ago.

Apparently Wgton CC have a bylaw prohibiting bikes from parking in pay and display areas (even though there is no signage saying so).

It's a good idea though: We don't even have to park for long.

Get up an hour early and ride into the cities and towns, park all bikes taking up whole spaces until rush hour is over and cars have driven round and round and round for an hour then pack up and go to work ourselves.

However, it will be vitally important to have printed material on the bikes telling people WHY this is happening or the protest will be useless.

Thanks for your input.

[Harvd]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

Totally agree here, it works on many levels and could be so very entertaining...

[bogan]

Go back and read the head message: I advocate LEGAL disruption not illegal action.

Did the Bus Drivers get anywhere until they took disruptive action? No, and history shows us that the media and government will ignore us unless we too make a stink over this.

alright, i worded that poorly, but how will getting the public off side help us? The gubbermint seems to want bikes off the road, not the same with buses. I assume the idea is if we make enough problems we will get what we want simply to shut us up, like a kid throwing a tanty in paknsave? Im not convinced that it would work, gubbermint would see the public (lots of voters) now dislike bikers, and maybe take additional action against us.

Basically I see this type of action as a last throw of the dice, I'll be up for it when ALL other options are exhausted, but I just dont think we are there yet.

[idleidolidyll]

I'm all for legal disruptive action if the 'softly' approach doesn't work.
I think we do need maintain public support though, and I don't think it helps the cause when you've got riders in rallys looking 'menacing' in skull bandannas etc.

Yes, the aim will be to cause disruption in order to draw attention to our cause: NOT to intimidate or threaten other road users.

Safety is also a real concern and that will have to be addressed as well.

Thanks for your valuable and positive input

[YellowDog]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

Absolute Genius.

I could do the Constellation Drive or Oteha Valley Road parks.

Have a lock and chain too.

[idleidolidyll]

Not in Wellington Tony. There's specific laws against bikes parking in the parking spots here.

Ya know Riffer, THAT is another little piece of anti bike legislation we need to make known and to protest

As long as they provide PLENTY of designated motorcycle parks in COBVENIENT areas; it isn't a problem but from what I've been reading, Wton CC is not playing fair.

good stuff tho, lets get all the injustices in the open not just the ACC levies