Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

[pritch]

i prefer the term Winning Hearts and Minds

I've heard that term before. Not sure it was all that successful then either?

[YellowDog]

Whilst Wellington is the Capital City, Auckland is the Commercial Capital and we could cause some serious disruption without too much effort.

[idleidolidyll]

alright, i worded that poorly, but how will getting the public off side help us? The gubbermint seems to want bikes off the road, not the same with buses. I assume the idea is if we make enough problems we will get what we want simply to shut us up, like a kid throwing a tanty in paknsave? Im not convinced that it would work, gubbermint would see the public (lots of voters) now dislike bikers, and maybe take additional action against us.

Basically I see this type of action as a last throw of the dice, I'll be up for it when ALL other options are exhausted, but I just dont think we are there yet.

All you have to do is consider any and all industrial action by unions etc for a long time: for the most part people UNDERSTAND that others are being ripped off and even though Bus strikes, Ferry strikes, Hikois etc ae disruptive; the public generally support them as long as the facts are made clear.

This actually ISN'T about Govt wanting to take bikes off the road: it's about Govt wanting to privatise ACC. To do that it will help enourmously if ACC fees are hiked so high that private insurance looks cheap by comparison.

The idea of disruptive action is NOT that they will give us what we want to shut us up; it is that the noise we make will bring media and the publics attention to the injustice of what they are doing.

Good constructive post though, keep it up

[idleidolidyll]

Absolute Genius.

I could do the Constellation Drive or Oteha Valley Road parks.

Have a lock and chain too.

A lock and chain would be wise.
I also reckon we will need to have somebody guarding our bikes from harm.

[idleidolidyll]

Whilst Wellington is the Capital City, Auckland is the Commercial Capital and we could cause some serious disruption without too much effort.

That's absolutely correct; with not many bikes at all, we can cause a LOT of disruption within the law.

[idleidolidyll]

wingrider: "If we want to piss anyone off then it needs to be those National MP's and any of their supportive MP's from other parties. Get onside with all the other groups to show support where applicable when they protest about changes that will affect them."

It IS a good idea to SPECIFICALLY target National and ACT MP's

[bogan]

All you have to do is consider any and all industrial action by unions etc for a long time: for the most part people UNDERSTAND that others are being ripped off and even though Bus strikes, Ferry strikes, Hikois etc ae disruptive; the public generally support them as long as the facts are made clear.

This actually ISN'T about Govt wanting to take bikes off the road: it's about Govt wanting to privatise ACC. To do that it will help enourmously if ACC fees are hiked so high that private insurance looks cheap by comparison.

The idea of disruptive action is NOT that they will give us what we want to shut us up; it is that the noise we make will bring media and the publics attention to the injustice of what they are doing.

Good constructive post though, keep it up

So in essence its quite like the bikeoi, only with a bit more bite. So kinda like, we tried it peacefully with the bikeoi, you ignored that so now we're getting angry!

We can see how the media likes the bikeoi and go from there I spose, as we probly wont get much of a reaction from the politicians.

[carver]

i prefer the term Winning Hearts and Minds

well, your country's sucess rate with that is low

[idleidolidyll]

That's exactly what its about.

Tell everyone you know

[idleidolidyll]

ACC Protests? Rubbish! This is political! Screw National, Screw ACT

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If you allow the media and politicians to frame this as an ACC thing; you've already lost.

Ditto for trying to shift the debate to cyclists, pedestrians or rugby players.

This is a political decision driven by the NATIONAL and ACT parties. Aim your anger at these parties and you might get somewhere.
Aim at the ACC Corp and the best you'll probably get is slightly smaller increases than those suggested: the politicians will have manipulated you into accepting what they believe they will get anyway, 100-200% increases instead of 300% increases and you will be seen as 'grateful' for not being 'completely' screwed.

National and ACT are parties supported mainly by males and you all know that males dominate motorcycling in NZ.

Many of YOU probably voted for these bastards; it's YOUR responsibility to tell YOUR politicians that you are bloody angry and you will take your vote to Labour or the Greens who support ACC as it stands.

National played the public for suckers at the last election and won; tax cuts for the wealthy then tax rises for the rest of us and the selling of NZ's Govt sector to foreign interests. The ACC levies are a step on the road to the complete destruction of ACC; something National has always wanted and tried very hard to do last time they had power. YOU voted for them; YOU need to slap the bastards back into line.

Take action don't expect mere words to do it for you.

[CookMySock]

I wouldn't be leaving my bike unattended. If they want to ticket me, I will be gone like a robbers' dog.. a few parking spaces in the direction the parking warden came from.

We only need to park there for a couple of hours.

edit: What is being organised in the bay of plenty? I'm keen - I can be a real asshole when I feel like it.

Steve

[Trudes]

I'd love to know how to clean a criminal record.

Do you have any tips to share?

Be a good girl. (and just be sneaky enough not to get caught).

[325rocket]

as long as this is at least a week after bikeoi i'm in.

[caseye]

Ideli, I've told you before,I'm willing to take the next step, before all the noise has died down and the general public stop listening we do need to make sure it's sitting straight with them and the Govt.
Hitting National and ACT in the vote pocket and making sure people know why they can't park their cars close to their! place of work is good disruptive protest.
No worries here, I'm in.
Timing is the only thing, we need to make sure the ACC/Nationa;,ACT Agenda thing stays in the publics eye, we can't poke em in it!
The Pollies YES the General public, No.

[Flip]

Have you spoken to your local politician and let them know how you feel?

The goverment can make laws darn quickly to police any unwanted bad behaviour, ask your local boy racer whats thats like. Remember how everybody was scoffing when they held their protest drives.

I would suggest if ten thosand bikers all went to visit their local MPs all on the same day they would get the message PDQ. If you stuff up mr and mrs average kiwi who are just trying to do their jobs, you will just loose the support of the public and then well you are stuffed.

A very few bikers could stuff up a city for a day or so, but without public and media support which is the best thing you can have when dealing with those buggers in the beehive, you are going to, ok make a point, but then loose. The politicans have to do what the public and media mandate.

Visit your MP and tell him or her how you feel.