Just got my learners!

[Hopeful Bastard]

Easiest way for me to find it was while riding and not changing up fully...

Also, While stationary, for me to find it, I just rock the bike back and forth and lift the peg slightly till i see the light come on

[The Everlasting]

Ah yeah,so say I am in sixth gear,do i have to change all the way down again,or am I able to select Neutral without changing back down the gears?



Also while reading on the net last night,i found out I have the model with VVT,it has a red cam cover..

[Dirty Heathen]

Went for a little ride today,it sure is hard on ya if your not used to it!!

It is a little noisy from the head,tappets etc,especially at idle,is this anything to worry about?

Also,I am having a lot of trouble with the gears,especially getting it back to neutral,can anyone advice as to the proper use of the gears? I have no trouble changing up or down,it's just getting it back to neutral that's hard.

Thanks.

I took my bike to my mechanic straight away got everything checked over the chain was too tight for a start but they went over the whole bike made sure everything was working and safe they also checked the timing chain and the value clearance (had a leaking rocket cover gasket so had to be done)
Valve clearance was bang on they also rode the bike and said it was running well gave me the thumbs up on a good buy.

I have trouble sometimes have trouble with neutral mainly moving the bike in out of the shed if I have left it in gear try moving the bike back forward that seems to work for me but normally anyway on take a few goes to get it.

But like I say man it piece of mind the last think you want is something going wrong with the bike at 100km for you own piece of mind I would get the bike checked over should not cost much.

[Dirty Heathen]

Went for a little ride today,it sure is hard on ya if your not used to it!!

It is a little noisy from the head,tappets etc,especially at idle,is this anything to worry about?

Also,I am having a lot of trouble with the gears,especially getting it back to neutral,can anyone advice as to the proper use of the gears? I have no trouble changing up or down,it's just getting it back to neutral that's hard.

Thanks.

I took my bike to my mechanic straight away got everything checked over the chain was too tight for a start but they went over the whole bike made sure everything was working and safe they also checked the timing chain and the value clearance (had a leaking rocket cover gasket so had to be done)
Valve clearance was bang on they also rode the bike and said it was running well gave me the thumbs up on a good buy.

But like I say man its piece of mind the last thing you want is something going wrong with the bike at 100km for you own piece of mind I would get the bike checked over should not cost much.

Maybe I am over cautious but Like to have confidence in something I am going do that speed on and when buying second hand you never know what someone was done wrong on the bike they you may not pick up on due to lack of experience.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Ah yeah,so say I am in sixth gear,do i have to change all the way down again,or am I able to select Neutral without changing back down the gears?

No.. You have to change all the way back down. Unless you got some fancy pants flick a switch for neutral bike

[The Everlasting]

I took my bike to my mechanic straight away got everything checked over the chain was too tight for a start but they went over the whole bike made sure everything was working and safe they also checked the timing chain and the value clearance (had a leaking rocket cover gasket so had to be done)
Valve clearance was bang on they also rode the bike and said it was running well gave me the thumbs up on a good buy.

I have trouble sometimes have trouble with neutral mainly moving the bike in out of the shed if I have left it in gear try moving the bike back forward that seems to work for me but normally anyway on take a few goes to get it.

But like I say man it piece of mind the last think you want is something going wrong with the bike at 100km for you own piece of mind I would get the bike checked over should not cost much.

Ah yeah I have already booked it in at Colemans Suzuki for tomorrow..

[The Everlasting]

No.. You have to change all the way back down. Unless you got some fancy pants flick a switch for neutral bike

Ah bugger,i feared it might be so. I don't know why they could not have a display that tells you what gear your in,would make it heaps easier,the ginny i sat my practical test on has a display,and it makes it was easy.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Wouldnt be that hard to fit one in would it? Maybe?

Anyone that has the know how of how to do this? Or if it IS capable?


Also, Nice bike you got everlasting I have a '95 Model

[The Everlasting]

I'm just hoping I will get used to it..

I'm used to the gears in a cage.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Bah! If you cant flick the lever up any higher, You are in 6th. If you cant drop it any lower, You are in first

[The Everlasting]

Yeah i guess i don't need to put it in neutral,just try and take off.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Ah bugger,i feared it might be so. I don't know why they could not have a display that tells you what gear your in,would make it heaps easier,the ginny i sat my practical test on has a display,and it makes it was easy.

You'll get that with every bike you ever own (I wish it had this etc). For some reason there is always something left out of the dash. On my striple it is a petrol gauge, but it has got a clock and temperature gauge (both of which my hornet didn't have, but the hornet did have a petrol gauge).

You soon get used to not having a gear indicator, swithing back and forth between the Striple (has one) and Hornet (doesn't have one) taught me this. If you have one you get used to glancing down to know which gear. But, in time you will learn to tell your gear from your speed and rev combo (plus sound). So while a gear indicator is nice when you are new to a bike they become less important as you get used to the bike.

One last thing, you should be changing down through your gears when coming to a "normal" stop. You should always aim to stop in first gear. Always practice this as it is a very good habit to get into, it applies engine braking and always ensures you are in first for when you are ready to start off again.

Cheers

[jetboy]

and considering getting either a


1.Aprilia RS250...they look so good!!
2.Suzuki GSX...
3.Yamaha FZR-R
4.Honda CBR250RR
5.Suzuki GSXR250RR.
6.Honda NSR250.


I like all the above bikes,the only thing i know is the Aprilia would be extremely fast with 72hp..and I may kill myself......


So which one should i purchase?


Thanks.

I have a CBR250RR and would recommend one to anybody!

For god's sake make sure you wear your L plate...I found out the hard way yesterday that you get a $400 fine otherwise!

[The Everlasting]

You'll get that with every bike you ever own (I wish it had this etc). For some reason there is always something left out of the dash. On my striple it is a petrol gauge, but it has got a clock and temperature gauge (both of which my hornet didn't have, but the hornet did have a petrol gauge).

You soon get used to not having a gear indicator, swithing back and forth between the Striple (has one) and Hornet (doesn't have one) taught me this. If you have one you get used to glancing down to know which gear. But, in time you will learn to tell your gear from your speed and rev combo (plus sound). So while a gear indicator is nice when you are new to a bike they become less important as you get used to the bike.

One last thing, you should be changing down through your gears when coming to a "normal" stop. You should always aim to stop in first gear. Always practice this as it is a very good habit to get into, it applies engine braking and always ensures you are in first for when you are ready to start off again.

Cheers

Yeah thanks dude,I am getting a little better with the gears. Took it for a service today,and needed a new chain,goes a bit better now. I thought having the VZ model with VVT was a good thing,turns out it's not good at all,the mechanic at Suzuki said cos it has that,you cannot adjust the valves etc...

Is this true? I'm a little annoyed,as I had no idea of that when i bought it,I just thought the Red cam cover was red for show...

If i had known this,probably would not have purchased it.

I have a CBR250RR and would recommend one to anybody!

For god's sake make sure you wear your L plate...I found out the hard way yesterday that you get a $400 fine otherwise!

Oh shite,i actually don't have a L-Plate on it...:uhoh:

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Yeah thanks dude,I am getting a little better with the gears. Took it for a service today,and needed a new chain,goes a bit better now. I thought having the VZ model with VVT was a good thing,turns out it's not good at all,the mechanic at Suzuki said cos it has that,you cannot adjust the valves etc...

Is this true? I'm a little annoyed,as I had no idea of that when i bought it,I just thought the Red cam cover was red for show...

If i had known this,probably would not have purchased it.

I don't know enough about Bandits to say for sure but your mechanic lamenting not being able to adjust the valves sounds a bit strange.

Generally you don't want to be adjusting the valve timing (which I assume is what he was saying). This is what VVT (variable valve timing) does. It changes the timing of the valves depending on the revs. The Honda VFR has variable timing as well - again some people think it's really clever and some people hate it for its complication. Either way I would guess that your engine switches from two to four valves at a set rev level (if it's anything like the VFR).

The reason for variable timing is usually to give engines more low end torque. I have a BMW car with Vanos (BMW equivalent of VVT) You can certainly feel when the valve timing changes as the torque increases noticably. In essence the vanos system tries to predict if the driver wants power suddenly (lets say when cruising normally at low revs). If you floor my BMW then the vanos will kick in and deliver more torque at lower revs (as opposed to when its not activated) which will get you to the higher revs quicker (where the real power is). Now the BMW car system is a bit cleverer in so far as it takes a number of inputs to decide if the vanos needs to kick in. In the VFRs case it is just one input (is revs above or below 6.5k).
Again not an expert on all this but going off what I had to get sorted with my BMW - closest thing I've experienced to VVT . But there is lots of reading about VVT on the web.

The attached page link I found by doing a quick search, it has the history of bandits in there. Looks like the VVT engine replaced the non-VVT engine. I doubt that Suzuki would have scrapped the non-vvt engine if it truly was the better of the two.

http://www.banditalley.net/wiki/doku...dit_alley_wiki

I personally would think you got the better bike and your mechanic is just lamenting that VVT is not mechanic friendly (most mechanics complain that they are over complicated).

Don't kick yourself you got a good bike by the sounds of it (it should have more low rev torque than the non VVT model).

But he's a qualified suzuki mechanic and I'm just a faceless bloke on the interweb so as in most things on KB - this is just an opinion.

Cheers