ACC U-Turn

**Mom** · 17th November 2009, 17:47

Consumate pollies at work. Dont be fooled mate, this was part of the original agenda, make no mistake about that. They just did not anticipate our reaction, nor the support we have from media and the public. We wont be quelled by a tiny increase in our levies. Hells teeth we have eaten a HUGE increase just recently! Push someone far enough and look out!

Past time for us to push back!

**BikerDazz** · 17th November 2009, 17:50

I think that peopel who use their motorcycle to commute should receive a rebate - we're reducing traffic problems, reducing greenhouse gases or fossil fuels or whatever the shit, reducing parking problems etc.

**BikerDazz** · 17th November 2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by Mom

Consumate pollies at work. Dont be fooled mate, this was part of the original agenda, make no mistake about that. They just did not anticipate our reaction, nor the support we have from media and the public. We wont be quelled by a tiny increase in our levies. Hells teeth we have eaten a HUGE increase just recently! Push someone far enough and look out!

Past time for us to push back!

And National should know ... NEVER mess with a Mom!

**Owl** · 17th November 2009, 17:55

Originally Posted by k2w3

The cleverest move the Govt can make now is to recommend an increase that will divide us. One that half of us will accept as "oh well, it's better than $750". I think it would be a mistake to accept anything other than an increase just above the rate of inflation.

Well we're already long past inflation. I'm sure I paid $218 for rego just 2 years ago?

I'll settle for a reduction!

**fresh trax** · 17th November 2009, 18:01

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

+1

I reckon 500 dollars is what they will propose

ACC is a no fault scheme

Stephen

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

**BikerDazz** · 17th November 2009, 18:07

Originally Posted by fresh trax

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

Exactly! - you've hit the nail right on the head

**HDMAN** · 17th November 2009, 18:09

If you are looking for some photos of today's ride, I am happy to share the few that we took here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/its_all...96323817/show/

**Brian d marge** · 17th November 2009, 18:15

Originally Posted by fresh trax

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

Didnt think of that , yes ,,plan it out we complain , u turn a little ,,,the original idea goes through

Clever ....like it

Just hope the protest doesn't lose momentum

And should have gained over electricity , student loan , speeding tax , prisons ,,oh wait that hasn't happened yet

Stephen

**Pedrostt500** · 17th November 2009, 18:16

We should not accept any increase in Levy rate, in fact we should demand the Removal of GST from all ACC Levies, as ACC is not a Goods or a Service, it is a Tax and we should not pay a Tax on a Tax.

**ManDownUnder** · 18th November 2009, 08:37

Originally Posted by YellowDog

reconsidered.

Call me cynical but that's not a synonym for left unchanged, or even dropped. It's a placatory positioning statement that means nothing of substance... except for their concern for votes.

We need to target the minor parties in the coalition as they can tip the balance of power

**Conquiztador** · 18th November 2009, 08:49

Politics is so see through.

Here is the whole Nat plan (in a very short version so most can be bothered reading):

Agenda: Privatise ACC.

Problem: Parts of ACC can not be sold the way it is as it is too costly. (The buyers will only buy bits of ACC that will make them a profit)

Solution: Split ACC in to bits, sell the ones that the Insurance companies want. Keep the others under Government, but increase the costs so it becomes a user-pay setup. Once that is established it can be sold.

THAT, my dear fellow bikers, is what this is all about: Separate Bikes from cars. Sell the ACC setup for cars as it now is a profit making bit w/o the "expensive" and concerning bike bit.

**AllanB** · 18th November 2009, 08:52

I'm still posting Nick Smith a dog turd.

**Bend-it** · 18th November 2009, 09:23

Originally Posted by AllanB

I'm still posting Nick Smith a dog turd.

With John Key's address in the "Return to sender" box

**grantnz** · 18th November 2009, 09:43

Originally Posted by Maha

No celebration just yet, to reconsider does not mean the outcome will be fair and just. As Les said ''this is where it starts''. Lets wait and see what they come up with. Todays event was a huge success and a massive visual experience for those that couldn't make it to Wellington.

Agreed, it was a fantastic visual experience, just a pity that it was not shown on the TV news for what it was. The coverage was CRAP and I bet it was set up that way by the Govt / Police. All we saw in the 30 seconds of footage was a handfull of Harleys with ape hangers, a couple of 'patched' bikers, and arrivals at the Caketin. If the convoy was from Parliment to Mana as stated in one paper, why did they not show that? The Herald said the Police estimate was still only 3500. The media are not on our side and to me they are trying to play it down. People I have spoken to said that they had heard of huge no.s attending, but it did not look like it on TV. Any increase should not be tolerated!