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Well TV3 balanced it in our favour this time....Originally Posted by raster
Love it how they played the bit of Nick getting pissed off at that lady, telling her to take a breath....
Highway Biker
I agreethat's the best report I've yet seen from TV3 I think - I loved the inclusion of the "Nix figures are inaccurate" (who was that?) bit and the lack of rebuttals aired from the nixter
Loved the sexual abuse campaigners raising the banner in front of nick
Did anyone ask him how he reconciles his role a climate change minister with his agenda to price the most fuel efficient transport off the road?
Stoke me a clipper!
Arghhh... saw my ugly mug far too many times in that report
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" - Socrates
"All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind" - Aristotle
Whip it, whip it good!
Three things I am taking away from that meeting tonight. Nick Smith openly declared ACC to be an Insurance Scheme! Oh really? I am sure others will be keen to hear about that. Nick Smith said clearly he did not care about the submission process! So, here we have the Minister saying on record that he does not care about the submission process, got to be a complaint in there somewhere, someone? Third thing, we actually managed to flumox him at times tonight. He made several notes, so I know he will be going back to his "advisors" and demanding that he never gets placed in that position again.
Nick Smith is unconcerned about the effect this will have on National come election time. We need to make sure he starts to be worried about it.
Fair weather rider
I shall continue my written campaign with big words/phrases like "intellectually and politically bankrupt philosophies..." %$&* em!!!
Stoke me a clipper!
I think it was poor choice of words by the Nickster regarding not caring about the submission process. I think what he meant was that it didn't matter how the submission process was organised, most people do not like it when their levies are increased.... that's what I took from that statement anyway.
I agree that he seemed on the back foot in most of his responses... pretty simple for him... just repeat the same basic propoganda lines no matter what is asked.... I was quite interested to learn that a biker is more likely to be hurt if they ride a heavier bike..... I'm not sure a +- 50kg weight difference really matters when being hit by a two tonne car at 100km/hr
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" - Socrates
"All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind" - Aristotle
Fair weather rider
Actually, the weight does not matter at all. Usually the rider is dislodged on impact anyway, who cares what the bikes damage is (in terms of ACC payment of course)
Fair weather rider
A wise man once said:
"Even though all answers are responses, not all responses are answers. "
Thanks Nick for responding to my questions
True Blue - Fair Dinkum
Think that was Crash wasn't it?Well TV3 balanced it in our favour this time....
Love it how they played the bit of Nick getting pissed off at that lady, telling her to take a breath....
Life is a like a box of chocolates; People are like Onions; The key to success is.......
Fuck it, let's ride!
Fair weather rider
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth" - Vladimir Lenin
He will keep repeating those figures and "statistics".
Coal Burning XV Rider!
OK so we had a damn good turnout for a week night.Ol Mr sMyth didnt have it all his own way and we collectively got some damn fine points to home base.
1/Nick Smith admitted that ACC is an Insurance company.
So now the Govt should be removing every vestige of ACC Levy from anything that it's ever been stuck in and then let ACC Insurance compete on the open market with all the Ozzy Insurance companies that want(Not) to come in here.
Or at least did want to come in here "if" ACC was prepared properly for them by National.
Do we want this? No we want parity with all other road users and for ACC to go back to it's originally intended purpose, no fault, total rehabilitaion and compensation for the general public in return for a ,no Sue, status quo.
2/Mr sMyth when presented from the floor ( a biker of course) with his own advisors figures regarding cost per accident was unable to justify any increase in the current ACC Levy.
So he stayed silent, his figures being 100% accurate while he is quoting them but unreliable and "Wrong" when they're quoted back at him.
3/Mr sMyth admitted on record and in front of hundreds that he didn't care how the ACC handled their submissions procedures.
This included the ACC Insurance company paying for full page adds in the countrys main newspapers stating their Biased case for increases using faulty and slanted figures and THEN inviting the General Public to make submissions before the cut off date.
That bloody money was given to them by us to Prevent Accidents and to rehabilitate anyone in need through injury or accident.Operative words here US, ANYONE, INJURY,ACCIDENT.
Not to be used against US to create bias and discontent among the general public.
The FACT (reported at the Wellington BikeOi) that there were over 2,750 submissions at that time, 90% of them being from motorcyclists has the ACC' Insurance company on the back foot.
So they happily forked over many thousands of taxpayers/ACC levied dollars to counter the huge,never before has this many submissions been made.
Particularly with so many against the proposals in a vain effort to justify their own position and to mkae it a little easier to simply Ignore the many thousands of negative submissions.
Mr sMyths position on all of this is 'that he doesnt care how they do it! Wow, we do.
4/ mr sMyth attempted to deny that BRONZ had agreed to meet with him and discuss active accident prevention for motorcyclists.
He was called out, as telling a blatant lie.
Both mr Key and mr Joyce had also been notified by BRONZ in the same email and in Fact had relpied to the effect that it had been received and was noted.
5/Neither mr sMyth or the esteemed councilor in the front row seemed to understand what we all mean't when we said that ACC payouts could be dramatically reduced if the Govt/appropriate councils simply better maintained their roads.
Making off camber corners go the right way, putting the right amount of the right sort of chip on a surface, SWEEPING off the roadway,the loose metal left by contractors who have no concept of what happens to the front wheel of a motorcycle when it slips on the damned stuff in a very tight corner.
All of these things contribute Significantly to the single vehicle(read motorcycle) accidents that mr sMyth alluded to.
6/CC rating is the only way that Govt has of differentiating (read, splitting
up) the 3 newly established classes of Levy that the Govt via ACC Insurance wants implimented.
This way they can make outrageous claims that somehow seem correct, for instance as mr sMyth stated," bigger bikes cost more, go faster, weigh more????? and cost 4 to 5 times more(his words) than cars to insure.Um scuse me but my 1000cc bike costs almost half of what my car costs to insure!Fully Insure that is.
We the motorcyclists attending this meeting are all able to give personal experience of mr sMyths figures being catagorically wrong.Not our fault, must be those pesky statisticians!
"BULLSHIT Mr sMyth go ask your experts , most crashes, scooters and up to 250cc, most expensive injuries, same groups, most expensive to "COMPENSATE", larger bikes.
This is where the Govt is going with this.
To all the other road users out there, be advised "YOU ARE Nickst"
We long ago realised where this is heading and we are fighting this one on your behalf too.
Some help(as was given by many National party members who did attend this meeting tonight) would be appreciated.
Our large presence at this meeting did surprise mr sMyth and the way we behaved in general terms I think won his grudging respect, as it should be said, we had to give him ours, for again staying the distance and not running for cover.
Well done to those who's points, Hit Home, you all know who you are and so do those of us who attended, thanks for speaking on our behalf and keeping this whole meeting sane and reasonable.
I was proud to be an Old motorcyclist tonight, we can do better and Mr Smith will come to his senses if we simply keep this issue alive and well under his A.R.S.E!
Every day above ground is a good day!:
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Wish they had some beers after
Couldn't believe how the Nickster lied blatantly to our faces, he must thinks were drongos....
Whats with his bright red face? Is he a pisshead?
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