Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

**NONONO** · 2nd December 2009, 18:34

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

The time has come to fuck up New Zealands traffic system!

Agreed.
If we think Nicklouse has blinked, even slightly, we should put the boot in hard. Just once (for now), but quickly.
If he plays tough after that we have lost nothing anyway, but he might just blink a second time!

**MadDuck** · 2nd December 2009, 19:48

I am not a public speaker. Never have been and never will be.

On Monday someone I work with turned up at the meeting on Monday as he wanted to hear Nick Smyth and what he had to say on the ETS. As he walked in he saw all the bikes and thought...hmmmm yes bikers and ACC. He agrees we are being targeted and is on our side.

He still ventured in and stayed for quite some time but his comment to me the next day was "Give the guy a change to at least answer the questions".

After an hour he left thinking what a waste of time.

**NONONO** · 2nd December 2009, 20:01

Originally Posted by MadDuck

I am not a public speaker. Never have been and never will be.

On Monday someone I work with turned up at the meeting on Monday as he wanted to hear Nick Smyth and what he had to say on the ETS. As he walked in he saw all the bikes and thought...hmmmm yes bikers and ACC. He agrees we are being targeted and is on our side.

He still ventured in and stayed for quite some time but his comment to me the next day was "Give the guy a change to at least answer the questions".

After an hour he left thinking what a waste of time.

Giving a politician time to reply is like putting shit on roses, just makes them look better.

**MadDuck** · 2nd December 2009, 20:03

Just thought I would give some feedback on a "non bikers" view of the night.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 2nd December 2009, 20:38

Originally Posted by NONONO

Giving a politician time to reply is like putting shit on roses, just makes them look better.

**Bodir** · 2nd December 2009, 20:41

I would have gladly given him the chance to answer my questions. But he did just stare and then delivered a response, but no answer. We are talking Nick here! The answer to a Yes or No question from him takes 5 min. Nobody has that much time.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 2nd December 2009, 20:43

Originally Posted by MadDuck

Just thought I would give some feedback on a "non bikers" view of the night.

Fair call. We do need to be mindful of the public perception as it can be fickle and is easily and often manipulated

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A slight emphasis by the media on any negative aspect of how we conduct ourselves would be very damaging

**mashman** · 2nd December 2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by Ixion

yes, of course it was written by spin dctors. But WHY do the spin doctors think it politic to try to calm us down?

They're not trying to calm us down. If they wanted to do that they'd sort the levy's. They're going to say to the public, look at the big bad biker man shoutng at me, making demands, we're just trying to be reasonable and, and, and, and... bad bad bikers!

that and there's a whole country about to get slapped, why the hell would they want them to join a group that's already potentially 10,000 strong...

**drummer** · 2nd December 2009, 23:12

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Yes I saw you at in the meeting and heard your declarations - I said I didn't see you at the meeting place before hand where you could have set me straight on a few things.

And yes it is funny when you see people in person - that's why when you said someone was prank calling your "partner" I thought "Oh Bummer - definitely a cock smoker" (like his young MC friend).

Oh and if your prank caller isn't a Nat (although that kind of puerile beaviour wouldn't surprise me ), my next guess would be this guy

What things?

And no.. don't accuse Dean...

Peter

**drummer** · 2nd December 2009, 23:25

Les don't be fooled... this guy is as bad a minister as I have ever seen... he is a liar and almost borders on currupt.. we need to continue and increase pressure on ALL Nats... don't be complacent mate.. that letter was trying to win you with spin... a bad attempt at an apology.. and a rude statement about us at the meeting. We need to divide the Nats

Peter

**drummer** · 2nd December 2009, 23:34

Gnite all.. wow 100 posts up!

Peter

**drummer** · 3rd December 2009, 00:12

Originally Posted by MadDuck

He still ventured in and stayed for quite some time but his comment to me the next day was "Give the guy a change to at least answer the questions"..

we did... but he didn't.. he fudged his way through and became abusive as well at a few people... the girls from sexual crisis centre for one example..I have no time for him... hes got to go down the political drainpipe..

Peter

**drummer** · 3rd December 2009, 00:23

Originally Posted by NONONO

Agreed.
If we think Nicklouse has blinked, even slightly, we should put the boot in hard. Just once (for now), but quickly.
If he plays tough after that we have lost nothing anyway, but he might just blink a second time!

Agreed.. the media is our method... a vicious letters to the editor campaign for a start

Plus attack your local branch... make the party hacks, office bearers and hasbeens know that Nick Smith is poison to their party... trust me.. thats where the opinion counts..

Peter

**NONONO** · 3rd December 2009, 06:47

Sorry Drummer, was thinking more along the lines of blocking traffic and bringing Auckland to a stop.
Don't think a polite/or even impolite letter to the Nats will make a blind bit of difference at the moment, Nick showed us that with his "I don't care, it's not my fault" speech on Monday.
My opinion,
we think he has blinked with the letter to Les, king hit now, and see which way he falls. As I said, I don't believe we have anything to lose at this point.
Lets also be aware that we might just be pushing support ACTs way...Now that would be a nightmare of unimaginable horror.

**Pixie** · 3rd December 2009, 07:40

Originally Posted by Chisanga

Although Nick's performance left a lot to be decided, the personal low-point of the meeting for me was the National-party woman in front of me saying under her breath (sarcastically) "Oh poor you... now shut up" when the lady was speaking about the effect of the ACC cuts to victims of sexual abuse. Some people just have no clue..

Next time someone hears such muttering (the sign of a coward),Turn around and say loudly:"Shut the fuck up you coward"