Breaking the rear free?

[Katman]

perhaps all the telling off has worn him down?

Think again.

[st00ji]

its a post but it doesnt say anything :P

[Katman]

Neither does this one.

[ital916]

yeah trust me i appreciate that, i really dont feel like i was being un-sensible - and i wouldnt / dont mind being told to grow a fuckin brain, but it would be nice to hear something a bit more informative to go with it. i was a little surprised actually because although i expected damnation from katman if he happened to post, he normally has a bit more to say too. perhaps all the telling off has worn him down?

another 2c worth. What I always do, is err on the side of caution. Go into a corner with heaps of extra left over so if you need to stop you can, need to lean her over more you can. It takes a little bit of the adrenaline rush away but I like the increased safety margin. They have tracks for people to fang around riding at 100% on.

Even on corners I know well, I never push too hard.

I guess that why everyone overtakes me, before we get to 25km/hr corners

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Grow a fuckin' brain.

thanks for the constructive reply! possession of a brain does not automatically enable knowledge though?

Hi st00ji,
you have just been rudely introduced to Katman; he does not provide advice for new riders, he does however provide a diatribe of abuse in the form of one liners and preaches its his way or no way in his threads.............the ignore button is your friend.


Put simply the situation happend because you gave the rear tyre to much to do with the grip it had available to do it with. Less gas and a good appraisal of the surface your about to use will avoid this happening again.

Rear wheel power slides do 'look impressive' but best left to exiting corners on the circuit and in reality are best avoided because it slows your lap times down. Grip is what you want, what you experienced was a lack of grip. Keep it sunny side up bud.

[st00ji]

im not sure my bike is capable of delivering that much power to be honest! perhaps i got the mix just wrong this time around. i have no plans to do so again, hence this topic with me wanting to try and work out exactly what it was i did wrong in the first place!

i have seen katmans handywork before...

so basically what im hearing is, too much lean and too much throttle? where im perched on the bike is relatively unimportant?

[beyond]

A little too heavy on the rear brake perchance? Will do it everytime if you are leaned over.

Agree with Kiwi Grahams statement re Katman.... hell, he may mean well but is certainly no teacher.

[Katman]

you have just been rudely introduced to Katman; he does not provide advice for new riders, he does however provide a diatribe of abuse in the form of one liners and preaches its his way or no way in his threads.............the ignore button is your friend.

You can powder his arse if you like.

I'll confine myself to attempting to instill a sense of responsibility.

[st00ji]

'grow a fuckin brain' instills no responsibility. nothing you've said instills anything apart from an urge to ignore... yet i resist because some of the things you say (in other threads) hint at a great deal of experience. im old enough to realise the value of experience, hence why im here asking for the advice of others more experienced than me.

so contribute to my thread, or go away! please

beyond, i was not touching the rear brake (and almost never do, unless its low speed or im really trying to haul the bike up fast - is that wrong?)

PS i powder my own arse well enough, this is about riding bikes

[avgas]

Did ya check the tyre pressures? They fix everything mentioned on KB - so before you start a thread about how to counter steer, why harley riders dont wave, or evolution - check ya
pressure.

But on a serious note - sounds to me you need to find the limits of your bike. All a part of being a learner.

Find a nice calm car park, and give it some shit.

If you want - I am happy to help a bit if you come to me at St Lukes

[beyond]

'grow a fuckin brain' instills no responsibility. nothing you've said instills anything apart from an urge to ignore... yet i resist because some of the things you say (in other threads) hint at a great deal of experience. im old enough to realise the value of experience, hence why im here asking for the advice of others more experienced than me.

so contribute to my thread, or go away! please

beyond, i was not touching the rear brake (and almost never do, unless its low speed or im really trying to haul the bike up fast - is that wrong?)

PS i powder my own arse well enough, this is about riding bikes

Nah, you're ok with the rear brake. Mines a big heavy bike and under hard braking the rear is useless on mine except for hill starts gravel and rain. I stay off mine cos the moment I touch it in a hard corner, I'm drifting and not by choice

As Kiwi Graham point out you may have got on the gas a little early. You only get so much grip and if you're using some up by throttling out of the corner too early, somethings gotta go.

[Flip]

yeah, i guess the reason im posting is because it has not happened before, so im wondering what i unwittingly did differently this time around. like i said i certainly didnt feel like i was being particularly aggressive about it, or at least no more aggressive than usual. which is not super. hopefully that makes sense

Perfect sense. As you get more skills you go faster until you reach the limits of the bike, or road, or traction. Most experienced riders bin it 6 months after they get a new bike for these reasons.

The front steps out usually under brakes, the back steps out under power. If you balance the power to zero at the apex of the corner there will be more friction available for cornering and you might find you can go a bit faster.

It was great that you did not fall off it. Do you have trail bike experience?

[st00ji]

fwiw if i dont get on the gas into the corner then i dont go anywhere - its a standing start from a set of lights, straight into the corner

[Katman]

'grow a fuckin brain' instills no responsibility. nothing you've said instills anything apart from an urge to ignore... yet i resist because some of the things you say (in other threads) hint at a great deal of experience.

Learn to get from A to B alive. (And ride accordingly).

[st00ji]

fwiw if i dont get on the gas into the corner then i dont go anywhere - its a standing start from a set of lights, straight into the corner

flip - i guess that scans, apart from the 'balance the power to zero at apex' - are you meaning i should be rolling off the throttle through the corner to neutral at apex? i've never really thought about it but i considering it now i believe this is how i generally corner, apart from this one corner which as mentioned is a standing start. i dont have any trail bike experience, and i was pretty pleased about not falling off as well.

avgas - i could be interested in a bit of carpark time, and could easily come to st lukes - but what do you propose i do? finding the limits sounds a lot like deliberately falling off

katman - staying alive is good, i like that. any suggestions on what i could do more specifically in this situation?