The Ultimate ACC Protest?

**p.dath** · 21st November 2009, 10:44

You do realise if the fees that ACC collect half, then next year they'll just look to double them again, and say "see look, we were right, cars are subsidising those who have accidents even more".

**rob 0** · 21st November 2009, 11:45

first ,
has any one concidered going to FAIR GO ,

on the premise of it is unfair to put the levies up for cars
and the ACC shouldn't be "furure funded" as it creates a
$11B cash cow for the govt, out of our pockets in a recesion

second,
if we start protesting as car drivers (most of us will own cars too)
with the $400 + road fees per year as unnesassary
we will get more suport from the car drivers to the same ends.
use the 4x4 as posibly being taxed higher simular to 600cc bikes
(hey, if they can bullshit so can we)

**p.dath** · 21st November 2009, 11:51

Originally Posted by rob 0

(hey, if they can bullshit so can we)

If bikers spread mis-information then the public will come to distrust us and what we say.

We distrust ACC because their claims don't stack up. We want the public to feel the same way.

So we want to do things that build support and trust from the public.

**mashman** · 21st November 2009, 12:04

Originally Posted by rob 0

first ,
has any one concidered going to FAIR GO ,

on the premise of it is unfair to put the levies up for cars
and the ACC shouldn't be "furure funded" as it creates a
$11B cash cow for the govt, out of our pockets in a recesion

second,
if we start protesting as car drivers (most of us will own cars too)
with the $400 + road fees per year as unnesassary
we will get more suport from the car drivers to the same ends.
use the 4x4 as posibly being taxed higher simular to 600cc bikes
(hey, if they can bullshit so can we)

True, but i can't see or smell any bullshit in your statement! If that's what it takes... I have no doubt that there are people out ther scheming like there's no tomorrow, but they'll be scheming for us, against those that are scheming against us!

**Mcycle** · 21st November 2009, 16:19

It isn't only Motorcyclists not wanting to pay ACC's increases - here's a quote from the Letters to the Editor of Saturday Nov 21's Dom Post.

"I've decided I might not pay the increase in ACC levies (assuming the Govt passes them into law) after reading double-murderer Graeme Burton received a $10,000 prosthetic leg paid for by cash strapped ACC."

**gwigs** · 21st November 2009, 17:25

What if we had a protest and used cars instead...A huge convoy clogging the roads one person per car....just to show what our bikes would be replaced with.....
Just a thought...

**mctshirt** · 22nd November 2009, 06:34

Originally Posted by mashman

If that's what it takes... I have no doubt that there are people out ther scheming like there's no tomorrow, but they'll be scheming for us, against those that are scheming against us!

My boss has an idea involving old motorcycle tyres - write a note expressing your displeasure at the ACC levy rise on an old tyre and courier it off to Nick Smith or ACC head office - storing and dumping the tyres will grow boring while getting the point across in a rather inconvenient way for the receiver.

His first old motorcycle tyre idea involved parliament and fire...

**Pixie** · 22nd November 2009, 07:36

Originally Posted by mctshirt

My boss has an idea involving old motorcycle tyres - write a note expressing your displeasure at the ACC levy rise on an old tyre and courier it off to Nick Smith or ACC head office - storing and dumping the tyres will grow boring while getting the point across in a rather inconvenient way for the receiver.

His first old motorcycle tyre idea involved parliament and fire...

The Tyres to Parliament was tried in the '80s,when the tariff on car tyres was dropped but the one on bike tyres wasn't.NZ Post did not deliver them.

**Number 5** · 22nd November 2009, 07:58

Any legal brains out there that could give us an answer as to whether we would have a case of victimisation against ACC as a minority group, ie, Human Rights, Bill of Rights Act, etc ????

**mctshirt** · 22nd November 2009, 08:33

Originally Posted by Pixie

The Tyres to Parliament was tried in the '80s,when the tariff on car tyres was dropped but the one on bike tyres wasn't.NZ Post did not deliver them.

Which is why you use a courier...

**rob 0** · 22nd November 2009, 18:50

what about tyres full of bullshit!

I'm shure he could relate to that

**ready4whatever** · 22nd November 2009, 19:54

Nick Smith in Welly promoting his ACC proposal to bikers is like how biggy smallz went to LA to promote his new album in which resulted in him getting killed

**Chocolate Boy** · 23rd November 2009, 18:51

Originally Posted by mctshirt

A tractor owned by a farmer used on a road only for
the owner's agricultural operations, and/or
the cartage of milk, cream, or whey to or from a dairy factory, and/or
cartage of any farm produce, implements, stock, or other farm requisites from one farm to another farm that is owned or managed by the same person or for a maximum round trip of 21 kilometres of public highway

Sweet - make sure you've got a chook in a crate bungied to the pillion seat. "Just moving my stock officer."

**eelracing** · 24th November 2009, 08:45

Originally Posted by p.dath

If bikers spread mis-information then the public will come to distrust us and what we say.

We distrust ACC because their claims don't stack up. We want the public to feel the same way.

So we want to do things that build support and trust from the public.

How about attacking ACC (and National)from another angle.

Are ACC still investing their yearly profits in Lion Nathan and DB Breweries shares? Nearly $50 million in 2002.

And if so aint these companies just a little bit responsible for a hell of alot more carnage on our roads,violence,accidents etc (therefore more ACC payouts)than motorcyclists.

Apart from ethical reasons this smacks of hypocrisy to me.