Brash disrespects Anzac

[Oscar]

Brash disrespects ANZAC.
That RNZAF wanker (Chief of Defence Staff?) at Gallopoli insults ANZACS and British.
John Howard insults New Zealand.
Did I miss anyone?

[Krusti]

Couldn't make it to Dawn Parade....milking moo's....but spent many hours watching History channel on Sky re WW1 and ANZACs ....Almost had me in tears...sat there with son watching thinking poor bastards...all because of stupid politicians....Made me smile tho when they said that a Pommie commander...Hamilton I think...said, "The maori's are making a charge up the hill, not sure if we will tell them from the Turks"...idiot!

Certainly made me proud to be a Kiwi..We think we are real men these days but we have no idea ..Good on ya Diggers...

[Indiana_Jones]

With more men and reasources I rekcon the Dardanelles might of worked, but that wasn't going to happen as the western front was more important to us poms, go the Somme, 20,000 dead in one day

I celebrate both ANZAC day and armistice day

-Indy

[TwoSeven]

To be honest, after listening to what he said, I agree with him.

Spend time in france and you'll here about how they regret letting their armed forces slide into disrepair. Not only did they get invaded twice, but the other countries that let theirs degrade as well couldnt help.

It would be a shame to get invaded, but it would be an even worse crime not to be able to help a country when they need it most.

[Indiana_Jones]

To be honest, after listening to what he said, I agree with him.

Spend time in france and you'll here about how they regret letting their armed forces slide into disrepair. Not only did they get invaded twice, but the other countries that let theirs degrade as well couldnt help.

It would be a shame to get invaded, but it would be an even worse crime not to be able to help a country when they need it most.

I agree, but this socialist government lives in a la-la land where they think we'll never get invaded, and if we did, we'll be saved by someone else ...... yeah right

-Indy

[Oscar]

I agree, but this socialist government lives in a la-la land where they think we'll never get invaded, and if we did, we'll be saved by someone else ...... yeah right

-Indy

Maybe Cuba and Bulgaria would come to our aid...

[Indiana_Jones]

Maybe Cuba and Bulgaria would come to our aid...

CHE SHALL SAVE US!



-Indy

[Wolf]

Whatta prick

Annoying thing is when this country is under war, politicians like him will be protected in bunkers, being given the same star treatment they always get, whilst ordering people to their deaths

That's why I don't like the armed forces - they are basically under the command of cowards who will not or cannot fight. Who the fuck wants to be taking orders from the likes of our politicians or G W Bush? (or any modern Prime Minister, President or Royal for that matter - pack of cowards, all of them)

Very easy to declare war when you have a bomb-proof bunker under your residence and its not you that's going out to face the enemy gunfire - just a bunch of strangers that only exist for you as numbers on a piece of paper.

Upper echelons of the Armed forces are also cowardly arseholes anyway - Generals and Admirals also get to stay home "where it's safe" these days rather than leading the troops they command.

[Oscar]

That's why I don't like the armed forces - they are basically under the command of cowards who will not or cannot fight. Who the fuck wants to be taking orders from the likes of our politicians or G W Bush? (or any modern Prime Minister, President or Royal for that matter - pack of cowards, all of them)

Very easy to declare war when you have a bomb-proof bunker under your residence and its not you that's going out to face the enemy gunfire - just a bunch of strangers that only exist for you as numbers on a piece of paper.

Upper echelons of the Armed forces are also cowardly arseholes anyway - Generals and Admirals also get to stay home "where it's safe" these days rather than leading the troops they command.

Um...the irony of this statement (which I would normally agree with) is that the ultimate commander of the Gallopoli landings was the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. He knew all about war, first hand.

[Coldkiwi]

indeed, brash using a memorial day to push a political point of view is pretty sad. But I'm not sure that its as sad as what labour is doing to the defence forces. I can see why he did it but don't think he reached the right decision regarding where he chose to let fly.

[Wolf]

Um...the irony of this statement (which I would normally agree with) is that the ultimate commander of the Gallopoli landings was the First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. He knew all about war, first hand.

Yeah, and Henry Tudor (King Henry V) led his troops on a rampage through France during the Hundred Year War - but what have any of the current bunch done? When did GW Bush or Don Brash last lead a charge against the guns? How many battles have our current Generals etc actually been in (actually faced fire, not merely "presided over") I did say "modern" in my post.

I think we need to go back to the old values - if a politician wants to wage war, said politician should take up a sword and lead the way. In fairness, the opponents should be likewise armed - nothing with a greater range than bows and ballistae, infantry to be armed with swords... No hiding on the other side of the world and pounding them with cruise missiles.

If you can't look your opponent in the eye from a couple of feet away and accept the risk that (s)he'll kill you, you have no place commanding people to die for you. In GW Bush's case we can also add "if you can't obey the UN's rules yourself, you can't call your opponent "lawless" and attempt to claim a moral high-ground" and also "if you can't even speak your nation's garbled version of English properly, you're not fit to rule a knitting group".

[Oscar]

Yeah, and Henry Tudor (King Henry V) led his troops on a rampage through France during the Hundred Year War - but what have any of the current bunch done? When did GW Bush or Don Brash last lead a charge against the guns? How many battles have our current Generals etc actually been in (actually faced fire, not merely "presided over") I did say "modern" in my post.

I think we need to go back to the old values - if a politician wants to wage war, said politician should take up a sword and lead the way. In fairness, the opponents should be likewise armed - nothing with a greater range than bows and ballistae, infantry to be armed with swords... No hiding on the other side of the world and pounding them with cruise missiles.

If you can't look your opponent in the eye from a couple of feet away and accept the risk that (s)he'll kill you, you have no place commanding people to die for you. In GW Bush's case we can also add "if you can't obey the UN's rules yourself, you can't call your opponent "lawless" and attempt to claim a moral high-ground" and also "if you can't even speak your nation's garbled version of English properly, you're not fit to rule a knitting group".

I'd like to see Helen Clarke in combat (preferrably unarmed against several tanks). What is so hypocritical about Bush is the fact that he used his influence to avoid combat when he was of millitary age.

I don't know what your definition of modern is, but I think the last NZ PM to actually fight in a war was Muldoon. More than one member of our royal family has seen active service, though.

[Ixion]

Yeah, and Henry Tudor (King Henry V) led his troops on a rampage through France during the Hundred Year War - but what have any of the current bunch done? When did GW Bush or Don Brash last lead a charge against the guns? How many battles have our current Generals etc actually been in (actually faced fire, not merely "presided over") I did say "modern" in my post.
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General John Kiszely , recently (may still be) Senior British Military Representative in Iraq was awarded the Miltary Cross for bravery during close quarters combat, serving with the Scots Guards at Tumbledown, during the Falklands War in 1982.

Don't know about any of the Yanks though. Brit generals are still expected to be figting soldiers, not administrators.

[Wolf]

General John Kiszely , recently (may still be) Senior British Military Representative in Iraq was awarded the Miltary Cross for bravery during close quarters combat, serving with the Scots Guards at Tumbledown, during the Falklands War in 1982.

So Kiszely would be worth following, then. Still a bugger that a wanker like Blair is the one who gives the order to go and fight, tho'.

Oscar, what action did Muldoon see?

[Oscar]

So Kiszely would be worth following, then. Still a bugger that a wanker like Blair is the one who gives the order to go and fight, tho'.

Oscar, what action did Muldoon see?

NZEF - Western Desert. As an NCO he served under an officer called Keith Holyoake.